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Vmware product vs Virtual Server R2 sp1 (in hindsight of 2008 hypervisor and VMM 2007)?

Source: microsoft.public.virtualserver
Sent: 12/10/2007
From: markm75 <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

I dont want to start any sort of flame wars here, nor am I sure this
is the right place to ask this question.. but looking for any
technical info anyone can point me too.. perhaps benchmarks or
independent reviews of each...

We are starting to virtualize our servers.. some of them will be sql
based.. ie: Dynamics 9.0/10.0, Systems Center Config Manager, Live
Comm Server 2007 etc.. into 1 role per VS (which i believe is the
general rule here)..

The hardware is xeon 2.5 (dual cpu, quad cores).. with sata2 harddrive
system (32mb cache drives, enterprise) with raid5 array and raid10
array. (for 40 users, usually 10 simulanteous sql type hits a time)

From what i can see, it appears, Vmware runs better, but what % better
is unknown? I dont see us installing ESX and replacing the main OS
of this server or servers either..

I was planning on using Virtual Machine Manager 2007.. I'm wondering
if this gives any edge to MS or sp1 of VS gives any edge? We will
ultimately be going to 2008 server in some time, so the hyper visor
would be an option there..

I'd hate to go VMware right now, then have to switch everything later
on under 2008 server..

Curious on thoughts out there.. is performance going to be THAT much
better with Vmware? What if i use physical partitions instead of vhds
with VS 2005, does this help the situation.. etc..

Thanks in advance for any thoughts.

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Re: Vmware product vs Virtual Server R2 sp1 (in hindsight of 2008 hypervisor and VMM 2007)?

Sent: 12/10/2007
From: Chris Auer <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

On Dec 10, 11:50 am, markm75 <(email address - cut out)> wrote:

I have used both, VMWare and MS VSsp1. The WMWare is faster when it
comes to hard drive speed applications like SQL server. I stopped
using VMWare because of the cost of setup and growth. I am currently
happy with MS VSsp1. And from the articles I have read so far the VS
on 2008 with be linked directly to the hardware like ESX. I think MS
will make huge gains on ESX in the first release. I would stay with MS.

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> I dont want to start any sort of flame wars here, nor am I sure this
> is the right place to ask this question.. but looking for any
> technical info anyone can point me too.. perhaps benchmarks or
> independent reviews of each...
>
> We are starting to virtualize our servers.. some of them will be sql
> based.. ie: Dynamics 9.0/10.0, Systems Center Config Manager, Live
> Comm Server 2007 etc.. into 1 role per VS (which i believe is the
> general rule here)..
>
> The hardware is xeon 2.5 (dual cpu, quad cores).. with sata2 harddrive
> system (32mb cache drives, enterprise) with raid5 array and raid10
> array. (for 40 users, usually 10 simulanteous sql type hits a time)
>
> From what i can see, it appears, Vmware runs better, but what % better
> is unknown? I dont see us installing ESX and replacing the main OS
> of this server or servers either..
>
> I was planning on using Virtual Machine Manager 2007.. I'm wondering
> if this gives any edge to MS or sp1 of VS gives any edge? We will
> ultimately be going to 2008 server in some time, so the hyper visor
> would be an option there..
>
> I'd hate to go VMware right now, then have to switch everything later
> on under 2008 server..
>
> Curious on thoughts out there.. is performance going to be THAT much
> better with Vmware? What if i use physical partitions instead of vhds
> with VS 2005, does this help the situation.. etc..
>
> Thanks in advance for any thoughts.

Re: Vmware product vs Virtual Server R2 sp1 (in hindsight of 2008 hypervisor and VMM 2007)?

Sent: 12/11/2007
From: markm75 <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

On Dec 10, 8:07 pm, Chris Auer <(email address - cut out)> wrote:

Cool.. this is encouraging.. though I will be doing alot of sql
apps.. I'm assuming compared to a real physical box.. ill take a 30%
hit on performance.. which is tolerable given that we dont have more
than 40 hits on a db at a time i guess.. usually just a few at a time,
unless OCS.

Curious in your travels of vhds and vm's.. do you generally create
vhds for C D E etc.. putting say, DB's on D, logs on E, separate vhds,
or even put the vhds on separate physical arrays? I'm leaning towards
making separate vhds but keeping them in the same physical location...

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> On Dec 10, 11:50 am,markm75<(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > I dont want to start any sort of flame wars here, nor am I sure this
> > is the right place to ask this question.. but looking for any
> > technical info anyone can point me too.. perhaps benchmarks or
> > independent reviews of each...
>
> > We are starting to virtualize our servers.. some of them will be sql
> > based.. ie: Dynamics 9.0/10.0, Systems Center Config Manager, Live
> > Comm Server 2007 etc.. into 1 role per VS (which i believe is the
> > general rule here)..
>
> > The hardware is xeon 2.5 (dual cpu, quad cores).. with sata2 harddrive
> > system (32mb cache drives, enterprise) with raid5 array and raid10
> > array. (for 40 users, usually 10 simulanteous sql type hits a time)
>
> > From what i can see, it appears, Vmware runs better, but what % better
> > is unknown? I dont see us installing ESX and replacing the main OS
> > of this server or servers either..
>
> > I was planning on using Virtual Machine Manager 2007.. I'm wondering
> > if this gives any edge to MS or sp1 of VS gives any edge? We will
> > ultimately be going to 2008 server in some time, so the hyper visor
> > would be an option there..
>
> > I'd hate to go VMware right now, then have to switch everything later
> > on under 2008 server..
>
> > Curious on thoughts out there.. is performance going to be THAT much
> > better with Vmware? What if i use physical partitions instead of vhds
> > with VS 2005, does this help the situation.. etc..
>
> > Thanks in advance for any thoughts.
>
> I have used both, VMWare and MS VSsp1. The WMWare is faster when it
> comes to hard drive speed applications like SQL server. I stopped
> using VMWare because of the cost of setup and growth. I am currently
> happy with MS VSsp1. And from the articles I have read so far the VS
> on 2008 with be linked directly to the hardware like ESX. I think MS
> will make huge gains on ESX in the first release. I would stay with MS.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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