Sent: 08/01/2006
From: "Paul Power" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:
Ponty wrote:
Depends on what version of Windows you're running. If it's XP with SP2,
then you will not need any other firewall. SP2 contains it's own
firewall.
You will most definitely need anti-spyware software. I use Adaware in
VPC and it works very well as it has very little overhead and will not
slow the system down.
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> I am running VPC 7.0.2 with OS 10.4.7 on a Powerbook G4 Ti 667.
>
> I would like to install AVG Anti-Virus. Given the Mac firewall, do I
> also need the AVG firewall? What about Ewido anti-spyware?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Ponty
Sent: 08/01/2006
From: Ponty <(email address - cut out)>
Message:In article <(email address - cut out)>,
"Paul Power" <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
I'm running Windows 2000, so I guess I need to run a firewall (other
than the OS X firewall)?
Is Adaware better than the AVG ewido anti-spyware?
Ponty
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> Depends on what version of Windows you're running. If it's XP with SP2,
> then you will not need any other firewall. SP2 contains it's own
> firewall.
>
> You will most definitely need anti-spyware software. I use Adaware in
> VPC and it works very well as it has very little overhead and will not
> slow the system down.
Sent: 08/01/2006
From: "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com>
Message:You need to run a firewall. If you are using XP just run the XP Firewall.
"Ponty" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
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>I am running VPC 7.0.2 with OS 10.4.7 on a Powerbook G4 Ti 667.
>
> I would like to install AVG Anti-Virus. Given the Mac firewall, do I
> also need the AVG firewall? What about Ewido anti-spyware?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Ponty
Sent: 08/01/2006
From: "Paul Power" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:
Ponty wrote:
I don't know. Never tried it.
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> In article <(email address - cut out)>,
> "Paul Power" <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>
> > Depends on what version of Windows you're running. If it's XP with SP2,
> > then you will not need any other firewall. SP2 contains it's own
> > firewall.
> >
> > You will most definitely need anti-spyware software. I use Adaware in
> > VPC and it works very well as it has very little overhead and will not
> > slow the system down.
>
> I'm running Windows 2000, so I guess I need to run a firewall (other
> than the OS X firewall)?
>
> Is Adaware better than the AVG ewido anti-spyware?
>
> Ponty
Sent: 08/01/2006
From: "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com>
Message:Forget the OS/X firewall. Firewalls, anti-spyware programs, and anti-virus
programs on the Mac do not protect the virtual machine. The two systems are
completely isolated from each other. The W2k vm is a separate computer for
all of these purposes. Do what you would do for a stand-alone pc.
As far as anti-spyware programs go, you may use more than one. As far as
anti-virus programs go, use only one. You will never get a definitive
answer that any one of them is "better" so try them.
"Ponty" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
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> In article <(email address - cut out)>,
> "Paul Power" <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>
>> Depends on what version of Windows you're running. If it's XP with SP2,
>> then you will not need any other firewall. SP2 contains it's own
>> firewall.
>>
>> You will most definitely need anti-spyware software. I use Adaware in
>> VPC and it works very well as it has very little overhead and will not
>> slow the system down.
>
> I'm running Windows 2000, so I guess I need to run a firewall (other
> than the OS X firewall)?
>
> Is Adaware better than the AVG ewido anti-spyware?
>
> Ponty
Sent: 08/01/2006
From: Ponty <(email address - cut out)>
Message:In article <(email address - cut out)>,
"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote:
Since I will be using AVG anti-virus and firewall, I was thinking of
using the AVG Ewido anti-spyware just because then I would be dealing
with a single vendor (although maybe there is really no advantage in
this case). Also, because AVG is so highly recommended for anti-virus, I
assume they know what they are doing with anti-spyware too.
Ponty
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> As far as anti-spyware programs go, you may use more than one. As far as
> anti-virus programs go, use only one. You will never get a definitive
> answer that any one of them is "better" so try them.
Sent: 08/01/2006
From: "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com>
Message:Why not use their forum to see what the users are saying. I don't think you
have bad choices here anyway. But don't be reluctant to use AdAware in
addition because no one anti-spyware program gets them all.
"Ponty" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
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Show quoted text
> In article <(email address - cut out)>,
> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote:
>
>> As far as anti-spyware programs go, you may use more than one. As far as
>> anti-virus programs go, use only one. You will never get a definitive
>> answer that any one of them is "better" so try them.
>
> Since I will be using AVG anti-virus and firewall, I was thinking of
> using the AVG Ewido anti-spyware just because then I would be dealing
> with a single vendor (although maybe there is really no advantage in
> this case). Also, because AVG is so highly recommended for anti-virus, I
> assume they know what they are doing with anti-spyware too.
>
> Ponty
Sent: 08/01/2006
From: Ponty <(email address - cut out)>
Message:In article <(email address - cut out)>,
"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote:
Is there an AVG forum? I haven't been able to find one on their Web site.
Ponty
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> Why not use their forum to see what the users are saying.
Sent: 08/01/2006
From: Ponty <(email address - cut out)>
Message:In article <(email address - cut out)>,
"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote:
I did find a little comparative discussion on Download.com.
Ad-Aware received only raves. But for what it's worth, one poster says
that Ewido detected a trojan that Norton Antivirus and Ad-Aware didn't.
Another says that Ewido "detects and removes many spyware problems" that
Spybot and Ad-Aware don't, although he doesn't give a concrete example.
Aside from one poster who says that the Ewido scanning interface is
confusing (I haven't found that), the only complaints are about slow
scanning, although that of course is relative. I downloaded a trial
version and it took 59 min. to do a complete scan of my 2.9 GB virtual
machine. (Don't know whether this is fast or slow but I guess it seems
acceptable to me.)
So, absent other evidence, I am leaning toward Ewido ($29.95) vs.
Ad-Aware Professional ($39.95).
Any advice welcome--
Ponty
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> I don't see one either. I'm surprised by that. Sorry.
Sent: 08/01/2006
From: "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com>
Message:I don't see one either. I'm surprised by that. Sorry.
"Ponty" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
news:(email address - cut out)...
Show quoted text
> In article <(email address - cut out)>,
> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote:
>
>> Why not use their forum to see what the users are saying.
>
> Is there an AVG forum? I haven't been able to find one on their Web site.
>
> Ponty
Sent: 08/01/2006
From: Ponty <(email address - cut out)>
Message:In article <(email address - cut out)>,
"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote:
Isn't it only for personal use? (Mine is business use.)
David
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> Take AdAware free edition.
Sent: 08/01/2006
From: "Paul Power" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:
Colin Barnhorst (remove) wrote:
The difference between anti-spyware programs is the definitions files.
These programs use a database file that contains indicators to identify
spyware (same as anti-virus programs). Where one program will not pick
up a piece of spyware and another program will is based on the
information in the definitions file. Keep this file up to date. Use at
least 2 different programs so that you are protected by 2 separate
definitions files. I would not buy anti-spyware software as there are
too many good free programs out there like Adaware and Microsoft's anti
spyware program. I did find Spybot to have too much overhead for VPC.
59 minutes is a bit long. Adaware does mine in under 30 minutes (6.4GB)
Show quoted text
> Take AdAware free edition.
>
> "Ponty" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
> news:(email address - cut out)...
> > In article <(email address - cut out)>,
> > "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I don't see one either. I'm surprised by that. Sorry.
> >
> > I did find a little comparative discussion on Download.com.
> >
> > Ad-Aware received only raves. But for what it's worth, one poster says
> > that Ewido detected a trojan that Norton Antivirus and Ad-Aware didn't.
> > Another says that Ewido "detects and removes many spyware problems" that
> > Spybot and Ad-Aware don't, although he doesn't give a concrete example.
> >
> > Aside from one poster who says that the Ewido scanning interface is
> > confusing (I haven't found that), the only complaints are about slow
> > scanning, although that of course is relative. I downloaded a trial
> > version and it took 59 min. to do a complete scan of my 2.9 GB virtual
> > machine. (Don't know whether this is fast or slow but I guess it seems
> > acceptable to me.)
> >
> > So, absent other evidence, I am leaning toward Ewido ($29.95) vs.
> > Ad-Aware Professional ($39.95).
> >
> > Any advice welcome--
> >
> > Ponty
Sent: 08/01/2006
From: Ponty <(email address - cut out)>
Message:In article <(email address - cut out)>,
"Paul Power" <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
Thanks--I am beginning to understand the necessity of using two
different programs. The free ones, though, are usually only for personal
use. (I use my computer in my business.) Also, I didn't think
Microsoft's anti-spyware software was usable with Windows 2000?
Thanks also for the valuable Spybot information--that is the kind of
VPC-specific response I was hoping to get from this forum.
As for the slow scanning speed I got from Ewido, at least part of that
must be due to the fact that I have an old computer (PB Ti G4 667) that
is just under the specified requirement for VPC 7.0.2 (700 mH).
Ponty
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> Use at least 2 different programs so that you are protected by 2 separate
> definitions files. I would not buy anti-spyware software as there are
> too many good free programs out there like Adaware and Microsoft's anti
> spyware program. I did find Spybot to have too much overhead for VPC.
> 59 minutes is a bit long. Adaware does mine in under 30 minutes (6.4GB)
Sent: 08/01/2006
From: "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com>
Message:Take AdAware free edition.
"Ponty" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
news:(email address - cut out)...
Show quoted text
> In article <(email address - cut out)>,
> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't see one either. I'm surprised by that. Sorry.
>
> I did find a little comparative discussion on Download.com.
>
> Ad-Aware received only raves. But for what it's worth, one poster says
> that Ewido detected a trojan that Norton Antivirus and Ad-Aware didn't.
> Another says that Ewido "detects and removes many spyware problems" that
> Spybot and Ad-Aware don't, although he doesn't give a concrete example.
>
> Aside from one poster who says that the Ewido scanning interface is
> confusing (I haven't found that), the only complaints are about slow
> scanning, although that of course is relative. I downloaded a trial
> version and it took 59 min. to do a complete scan of my 2.9 GB virtual
> machine. (Don't know whether this is fast or slow but I guess it seems
> acceptable to me.)
>
> So, absent other evidence, I am leaning toward Ewido ($29.95) vs.
> Ad-Aware Professional ($39.95).
>
> Any advice welcome--
>
> Ponty
Sent: 08/01/2006
From: "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com>
Message:Sorry, didn't know that.
"Ponty" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
news:(email address - cut out)...
Show quoted text
> In article <(email address - cut out)>,
> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote:
>
>> Take AdAware free edition.
>
> Isn't it only for personal use? (Mine is business use.)
>
> David
Sent: 08/02/2006
From: Ponty <(email address - cut out)>
Message:In article <(email address - cut out)>,
Ponty <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
I stand corrected: The license for Ad-Aware Personal, which is free,
only limits use to a single user; I didn't see any mention of
personal/business use.
In any event, thanks for your advice--I'm going to try it.
Ponty
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> In article <(email address - cut out)>,
> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote:
>
> > Take AdAware free edition.
>
> Isn't it only for personal use? (Mine is business use.)
Sent: 08/02/2006
From: Ponty <(email address - cut out)>
Message:In article <(email address - cut out)>,
"Paul Power" <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
I just installed Ad-Aware and the scan was about 9 minutes (2.9 GB). At
59 minutes Ewido is definitely a lot slower.
Ponty
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> 59 minutes is a bit long. Adaware does mine in under 30 minutes (6.4GB)
Sent: 08/02/2006
From: "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com>
Message:I would still run two anti-spyware programs. In fact, at times I have run
three.
"Ponty" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
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> In article <(email address - cut out)>,
> "Paul Power" <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>
>> 59 minutes is a bit long. Adaware does mine in under 30 minutes (6.4GB)
>
> I just installed Ad-Aware and the scan was about 9 minutes (2.9 GB). At
> 59 minutes Ewido is definitely a lot slower.
>
> Ponty
Sent: 08/03/2006
From: Ponty <(email address - cut out)>
Message:In article <(email address - cut out)>,
"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote:
Thanks--I will follow your advice and run Ad-Aware plus one other. Given
that Spybot is said to be slow with VPC, which other would you
recommend? Does the new Microsoft one work okay with VPC?
Ponty
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> I would still run two anti-spyware programs. In fact, at times I have run
> three.
Sent: 08/03/2006
From: "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com>
Message:Windows Defender beta 2 should run fine.
"Ponty" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
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Show quoted text
> In article <(email address - cut out)>,
> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote:
>
>> I would still run two anti-spyware programs. In fact, at times I have
>> run
>> three.
>
> Thanks--I will follow your advice and run Ad-Aware plus one other. Given
> that Spybot is said to be slow with VPC, which other would you
> recommend? Does the new Microsoft one work okay with VPC?
>
> Ponty
Sent: 08/03/2006
From: Ponty <(email address - cut out)>
Message:In article <(email address - cut out)>,
"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote:
Sounds great--thanks. Any other free ones that run okay on VPC?
Ponty
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> Windows Defender beta 2 should run fine.
Sent: 08/04/2006
From: Ponty <(email address - cut out)>
Message:In article <(email address - cut out)>,
"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote:
I installed Windows Defender (Beta 2). It says that my definitions have
not been updated in 191 days and offers to look for updates but returns
this error message:
"Windows Defender was unable to complete the update: 0x80240022. The
wrong diskette is in the drive. Insert %2 (Volume Serial Number: %3)
into drive %1."
Hunh?
Ponty
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> Windows Defender beta 2 should run fine.
Sent: 08/04/2006
From: Ponty <(email address - cut out)>
Message:In article <(email address - cut out)>,
Ponty <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
I forgot to mention that I am running VPC 7.0.2 with Windows 2000
Professional.
Anybody else having this problem?
Ponty
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> I installed Windows Defender (Beta 2).
Sent: 08/04/2006
From: "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com>
Message:It does not depend on the VPC edition. This is a Windows issue. I have
seen it and I think I saw the resolution when I clicked a link listed in the
error window. I Cannot repro here so I am flying a little blind.
Defender is still a beta product and the Microsoft Knowledgebase does not
list it yet as a product and so I cannot find a KB article on it. Reboot
the vm and try to run Defender again.
"Ponty" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
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> In article <(email address - cut out)>,
> Ponty <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>
>> I installed Windows Defender (Beta 2).
>
> I forgot to mention that I am running VPC 7.0.2 with Windows 2000
> Professional.
>
> Anybody else having this problem?
>
> Ponty
Sent: 08/04/2006
From: "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com>
Message:As a matter of fact, I don't remember actually doing the fix. I think the
message was either erroneous and the definitions really did download or the
definitions got up to date later.
"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote in message
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> It does not depend on the VPC edition. This is a Windows issue. I have
> seen it and I think I saw the resolution when I clicked a link listed in
> the error window. I Cannot repro here so I am flying a little blind.
>
> Defender is still a beta product and the Microsoft Knowledgebase does not
> list it yet as a product and so I cannot find a KB article on it. Reboot
> the vm and try to run Defender again.
>
> "Ponty" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
> news:(email address - cut out)...
>> In article <(email address - cut out)>,
>> Ponty <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>>
>>> I installed Windows Defender (Beta 2).
>>
>> I forgot to mention that I am running VPC 7.0.2 with Windows 2000
>> Professional.
>>
>> Anybody else having this problem?
>>
>> Ponty
>
>
Sent: 08/05/2006
From: Ponty <(email address - cut out)>
Message:In article <#(email address - cut out)>,
"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote:
I have tried rebooting and have also tried removing the current
signature file but nothing seems to work--I'm giving up for now.
Besides Ad-Aware and Microsoft Defender, are there other free
anti-spyware programs you would recommend for VPC and Windows 2000?
Other paid ones?
Ponty
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> Defender is still a beta product and the Microsoft Knowledgebase does not
> list it yet as a product and so I cannot find a KB article on it. Reboot
> the vm and try to run Defender again.
Sent: 08/05/2006
From: "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com>
Message:Just remove it if it is already installed.
"Ponty" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
news:(email address - cut out)...
Show quoted text
> In article <#(email address - cut out)>,
> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote:
>
>> Defender is still a beta product and the Microsoft Knowledgebase does not
>> list it yet as a product and so I cannot find a KB article on it. Reboot
>> the vm and try to run Defender again.
>
> I have tried rebooting and have also tried removing the current
> signature file but nothing seems to work--I'm giving up for now.
>
> Besides Ad-Aware and Microsoft Defender, are there other free
> anti-spyware programs you would recommend for VPC and Windows 2000?
> Other paid ones?
>
> Ponty
Sent: 08/05/2006
From: "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com>
Message:You can get a free scan at
http://www.webroot.com/land/freescan_ent.php?rc=4931&ac=9182679
For 209 listings (some free some not) see:
http://www.download.com/Adware-Spyware-Removal/3150-8022_4-0.html?tag=nav_dir
"Ponty" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
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Show quoted text
> In article <#(email address - cut out)>,
> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote:
>
>> Defender is still a beta product and the Microsoft Knowledgebase does not
>> list it yet as a product and so I cannot find a KB article on it. Reboot
>> the vm and try to run Defender again.
>
> I have tried rebooting and have also tried removing the current
> signature file but nothing seems to work--I'm giving up for now.
>
> Besides Ad-Aware and Microsoft Defender, are there other free
> anti-spyware programs you would recommend for VPC and Windows 2000?
> Other paid ones?
>
> Ponty
Sent: 08/08/2006
From: Ponty <(email address - cut out)>
Message:In article <(email address - cut out)>,
Ponty <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
Well, I rebooted but MS Defender kept refusing to update the definitions
file. I then tried to update the definitions through MS Update and after
about five or six attempts (I don't give up easily) it finally worked,
so everything is fine now.
No idea why it kept refusing all those times, though.
Ponty
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> In article <#(email address - cut out)>,
> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote:
>
> > Defender is still a beta product and the Microsoft Knowledgebase does not
> > list it yet as a product and so I cannot find a KB article on it. Reboot
> > the vm and try to run Defender again.
Sent: 08/08/2006
From: Ponty <(email address - cut out)>
Message:In article <OuQD$(email address - cut out)>,
"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote:
Thank you for this good info. Unfortunately, the reviews don't say
whether or not the programs run well with VPC.
Some may say that Windows, not VPC, is the issue here, but for me, VPC 7
with Windows 2000 is so incredibly slow that without a recommendation
from a VPC user I hesitate to go through the exercise of installing and
uninstalling something that may take a high toll in system overhead or
is otherwise incompatible with VPC.
Ponty
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> For 209 listings (some free some not) see:
> http://www.download.com/Adware-Spyware-Removal/3150-8022_4-0.html?tag=nav_dir
Sent: 08/08/2006
From: Ponty <(email address - cut out)>
Message:In article <(email address - cut out)>,
"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote:
I was hoping to benefit from the experience of others who have gone
before me.
Ponty
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> You try them and pick the one that performs reasonably for you.
Sent: 08/08/2006
From: "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com>
Message:It is after all beta software.
"Ponty" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
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> In article <(email address - cut out)>,
> Ponty <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>
>> In article <#(email address - cut out)>,
>> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Defender is still a beta product and the Microsoft Knowledgebase does
>> > not
>> > list it yet as a product and so I cannot find a KB article on it.
>> > Reboot
>> > the vm and try to run Defender again.
>
> Well, I rebooted but MS Defender kept refusing to update the definitions
> file. I then tried to update the definitions through MS Update and after
> about five or six attempts (I don't give up easily) it finally worked,
> so everything is fine now.
>
> No idea why it kept refusing all those times, though.
>
> Ponty
Sent: 08/08/2006
From: "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com>
Message:You try them and pick the one that performs reasonably for you.
"Ponty" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
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Show quoted text
> In article <OuQD$(email address - cut out)>,
> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote:
>
>> For 209 listings (some free some not) see:
>> http://www.download.com/Adware-Spyware-Removal/3150-8022_4-0.html?tag=nav_dir
>
> Thank you for this good info. Unfortunately, the reviews don't say
> whether or not the programs run well with VPC.
>
> Some may say that Windows, not VPC, is the issue here, but for me, VPC 7
> with Windows 2000 is so incredibly slow that without a recommendation
> from a VPC user I hesitate to go through the exercise of installing and
> uninstalling something that may take a high toll in system overhead or
> is otherwise incompatible with VPC.
>
> Ponty
Sent: 08/09/2006
From: "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com>
Message:Urban legend. I am an MVP for Microsoft virtual machines and done my share
of beta testing. It is just not true. Apple has had more than their share
of bugs and vulnerabilities. So has Linux.
"Helpful Harry" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
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> In article <(email address - cut out)>, "Colin Barnhorst"
> <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote:
>> "Ponty" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
>> news:(email address - cut out)...
>> > In article <(email address - cut out)>,
>> > Ponty <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>> >
>> >> In article <#(email address - cut out)>,
>> >> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Defender is still a beta product and the Microsoft Knowledgebase
>> >> > does
>> >> > not
>> >> > list it yet as a product and so I cannot find a KB article on it.
>> >> > Reboot
>> >> > the vm and try to run Defender again.
>> >
>> > Well, I rebooted but MS Defender kept refusing to update the
>> > definitions
>> > file. I then tried to update the definitions through MS Update and
>> > after
>> > about five or six attempts (I don't give up easily) it finally worked,
>> > so everything is fine now.
>> >
>> > No idea why it kept refusing all those times, though.
>>
>> It is after all beta software.
>
> Even worse - it's beta software from Microsoft. At the best of times
> their fully-released "final" versions are buggier than the insect house
> at the local zoo. ;o)
>
> Helpful Harry
> Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o)
Sent: 08/09/2006
From: Helpful Harry <(email address - cut out)>
Message:In article <(email address - cut out)>, "Colin Barnhorst"
<colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote:
Even worse - it's beta software from Microsoft. At the best of times
their fully-released "final" versions are buggier than the insect house
at the local zoo. ;o)
Helpful Harry
Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o)
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> "Ponty" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
> news:(email address - cut out)...
> > In article <(email address - cut out)>,
> > Ponty <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
> >
> >> In article <#(email address - cut out)>,
> >> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Defender is still a beta product and the Microsoft Knowledgebase does
> >> > not
> >> > list it yet as a product and so I cannot find a KB article on it.
> >> > Reboot
> >> > the vm and try to run Defender again.
> >
> > Well, I rebooted but MS Defender kept refusing to update the definitions
> > file. I then tried to update the definitions through MS Update and after
> > about five or six attempts (I don't give up easily) it finally worked,
> > so everything is fine now.
> >
> > No idea why it kept refusing all those times, though.
>
> It is after all beta software.
Sent: 08/10/2006
From: Helpful Harry <(email address - cut out)>
Message:In article <(email address - cut out)>, "Colin Barnhorst"
<colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote:
That was a joke, but since you took it seriously I will say that it's
definitely NOT an "urban legend" by any stretch of the imagination.
Around 90% of my Mac's crashes / freezes / etc. can be DIRECTLY traced
to a Microsoft product - they only ever happed when using Explorer,
Word or on rare occasions PageMaker (which actually use Microsoft
libraries for some parts). For a start, it's a well known fact, even to
Microsoft, that many of their products memory leak like a sieve.
In fact, to underline the point, this is the second time I've had to
type this reply because Explorer bombed my Mac. :o\
Helpful Harry
Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o)
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> "Helpful Harry" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
> news:(email address - cut out)...
> > In article <(email address - cut out)>, "Colin Barnhorst"
> > <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> It is after all beta software.
> >
> > Even worse - it's beta software from Microsoft. At the best of times
> > their fully-released "final" versions are buggier than the insect house
> > at the local zoo. ;o)
>
> Urban legend. I am an MVP for Microsoft virtual machines and done my share
> of beta testing. It is just not true. Apple has had more than their share
> of bugs and vulnerabilities. So has Linux.
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