>Does anybody know if Virtual PC 7 will run XP on the Intel based Mac.
>
>I'm thinking about buying the new Mac but I need to know if I'll be
>able to install XP on the Virtual PC 7 with the Intel processor. Will
>XP have an issue?
>
>Thanks

> Does anybody know if Virtual PC 7 will run XP on the Intel based Mac.
>
> I'm thinking about buying the new Mac but I need to know if I'll be
> able to install XP on the Virtual PC 7 with the Intel processor. Will
> XP have an issue?
>
> Thanks
>

> In article <(email address - cut out)>,
> (email address - cut out) wrote:
>
>
>>Does anybody know if Virtual PC 7 will run XP on the Intel based Mac.
>>
>>I'm thinking about buying the new Mac but I need to know if I'll be
>>able to install XP on the Virtual PC 7 with the Intel processor. Will
>>XP have an issue?
>
>
> No. Virtual PC does NOT currently run on the Intel Macs yet.
> It's one of the applications that doesn't work under the "almighty"
> Rosetta that was supposed to allow you to run PowerPC software on Intel
> Macs, but as expected isn't as good as it was being cracked up to be.
> Rosetta can (supposedly) able to handle "simple" applications, but
> anything mildy complicated doesn't work - including screensavers,
> preference panels, etc.
> Despite the whole world knowing Apple was changing to Intel chips for a
> long time and proper developers having at least prototype Intel Macs
> for almost as long, Microsoft have reportedly only NOW with the
> computers" release just started thinking about and talking to Apple
> about what (if anything) they can do to get VirtualPC onto the Intel
> Macs ... expect another LONG wait for a working version, just as we did
> with the PowerPC G5 version. :o\
>
> This is from MacMinute.com ...
>
> Microsoft on Virtual PC for Intel-based Macs
> --------------------------------------------
> Microsoft has issued a statement on the development
> status of Virtual PC for Intel-based Macs.
>
> "The Mac BU recognizes the need for the product
> and believes it is the best virtualization
> solution for PowerPC users, so it is committed
> to providing Virtual PC to new and existing
> PowerPC customers. However, Microsoft is still
> discussing with Apple the feasibility of
> bringing Virtual PC for Mac to Intel-based
> Macs in the future and has not made any
> announcements about if/how the product might
> work on the new machines."
>
> Either Micorosoft isn't a proper Apple developer or it's just Microsoft
> being hopeless as usual - either way, buyers of new Macs loose out
> AGAIN!
> *BUT* ...
> long before Micorosoft finally gets their act together the hackers may
> well have found a way to install Windows directly onto an Intel Mac
> giving a dual-boot system that may suit you needs, even if only
> temporarily.
> There is a couple also other pieces of software for Windows PC
> emulation being worked on which may arrive for Intel Macs before
> Virtual PC, as well as the WINE project to have Windows applications
> "simply" run directly (sort of) in Mac OS X.

> Does anybody know if Virtual PC 7 will run XP on the Intel based Mac.
>
> I'm thinking about buying the new Mac but I need to know if I'll be
> able to install XP on the Virtual PC 7 with the Intel processor. Will
> XP have an issue?

> Oh what the heck! I'll add my comments in line, too - Jim
>
> Helpful Harry wrote:
>
>> In article <(email address - cut out)>,
>> (email address - cut out) wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Does anybody know if Virtual PC 7 will run XP on the Intel based Mac.
>>>
>>> I'm thinking about buying the new Mac but I need to know if I'll be
>>> able to install XP on the Virtual PC 7 with the Intel processor. Will
>>> XP have an issue?
>>
>>
>>
>> No. Virtual PC does NOT currently run on the Intel Macs yet.
>
>
> I concur.
>
>> It's one of the applications that doesn't work under the "almighty"
>> Rosetta that was supposed to allow you to run PowerPC software on Intel
>> Macs, but as expected isn't as good as it was being cracked up to be.
>> Rosetta can (supposedly) able to handle "simple" applications, but
>> anything mildy complicated doesn't work - including screensavers,
>> preference panels, etc.
>
>
> Rosetta is a magic bullet that does run most existing Mac software on
> Intel based Macs. Any programs that directly control hardware (screens,
> graphics, disk drives, USB devices, firewire devices, etc) is likely to
> need more modifications. The hardware is changing significantly.
>
>> Despite the whole world knowing Apple was changing to Intel chips for a
>> long time and proper developers having at least prototype Intel Macs
>> for almost as long, Microsoft have reportedly only NOW with the
>> computers" release just started thinking about and talking to Apple
>> about what (if anything) they can do to get VirtualPC onto the Intel
>> Macs ... expect another LONG wait for a working version, just as we did
>> with the PowerPC G5 version. :o\
>
>
> It's one thing to know that Apple is going to change the processor and
> the entire hardware architecture. It's another to have the actual
> hardware in hand in order to build products.
>
> At 2005 MacWord Steve Jobs offered developers a chance to get a head
> start by making Intel based Macs available for about $1000. Now
> developers can exchange those early revision Macs for the real thing.
>
> Virtual PC is very unusual in that it bypasses MacOS and talks directly
> to the processor and system architecture. This is not a secret. In order
> to make a new version to talk with the dual core system the VPC
> developers need the actual production hardware to work on to build their
> product. The test machines were not the hardware that is being sold to
> the public, so VPC could not be built using the test machines. Until the
> real hardware is in the hands of the VPC developers only so much can be
> done to make the new version.
>
>>
>> This is from MacMinute.com ...
>>
>> Microsoft on Virtual PC for Intel-based Macs
>> --------------------------------------------
>> Microsoft has issued a statement on the development status of
>> Virtual PC for Intel-based Macs.
>>
>> "The Mac BU recognizes the need for the product
>> and believes it is the best virtualization solution for
>> PowerPC users, so it is committed
>> to providing Virtual PC to new and existing PowerPC
>> customers. However, Microsoft is still
>> discussing with Apple the feasibility of
>> bringing Virtual PC for Mac to Intel-based
>> Macs in the future and has not made any
>> announcements about if/how the product might
>> work on the new machines."
>> Either Micorosoft isn't a proper Apple developer or it's just Microsoft
>> being hopeless as usual - either way, buyers of new Macs loose out
>> AGAIN!
>
>
> There are LOTS of technical issues that have to be overcome in order to
> get VPC working on the new Macs. From all things I have heard about
> Apple and Microsoft are working closely with each other so that VPC can
> become a reality.
>
>> *BUT* ... long before Micorosoft finally gets their act together the
>> hackers may
>> well have found a way to install Windows directly onto an Intel Mac
>> giving a dual-boot system that may suit you needs, even if only
>> temporarily.
>
>
> Dual-boot in considerably less complicated than Virtual PC. The two
> operating systems don't run simultaneously. You start up from scratch in
> just one operating system.
>
>> There is a couple also other pieces of software for Windows PC
>> emulation being worked on which may arrive for Intel Macs before
>> Virtual PC, as well as the WINE project to have Windows applications
>> "simply" run directly (sort of) in Mac OS X.
>
>
> This is one step above the dual-boot concept. In this scenario there is
> an emulator - and that takes a big performance hit.
>
> Another concept is to allow two operating systems to run, but have a
> supervising program decide which one is running at any given time.
>
> VPC is more sophisticated than dual-boot, emulator, or supervisory
> programs. VPC lets you have multiple virtual machines that run
> simultaneously with MacOS and have live shared volumes between operating
> systems.
>
> Now that there is actual Intel hardware to use, VPC hopefully won't have
> to emulate a processor. And the VPC folks have lots of experience
> building virtual machines on both Mac and Intel platforms, so that is
> very promising.
>
> But to build a complicated product like Virutal PC will take
> considerable time to develop, test and bring to market (in many
> languages no less).
>
> Because it talks directly to hardware I thing it's not reasonable to
> expect the VPC folks to be able to quickly figure out an entire new
> hardware architecture and adapt their technologies to it.
>
> I would expect that you will find stop-gap solutions to become available
> in the order of their complexity. My guess (and it's only a guess based
> on what seems logical to me) is that simple dual-boot would most likely
> become available first. Then an emulator or supervisory program. If VPC
> got lucky and came out sooner than any of these I would be pleased, but
> very surprised.
>
> My crystal ball is no better than anyone else's. There's a lot of
> speculation in my comments.
>
> At least all of us can be sure that Microsoft and Apple are working with
> each other, and Apple is working with other developers to make MacOS and
> the new hardware a success.
>
> -Jim