> "Bo Berglund" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
> news:(email address - cut out)...
>
> > Seems like GoToMyPC does not have a free offering for personal use...
> > They have a 30-day trial and then you have to pay a monthly license
> > fee. :-(
>
> LOL! Everybody wants a free lunch... :-)
>
> Sometimes you (don't) get what you (don't) pay for...
>
>
> --
> Mark Rae
> ASP.NET MVP
> http://www.markrae.net
>
>

>On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:40:01 -0700, Rene
><(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>
>>I lost my job and have to be overseas for a while. Need to remote into one of
>>the PCs in my workgroup over the web here in the US. I have a Buffalo
>>linkstation on the workgroup where every individual PC (my kids' and wife's)
>>saves files to. I need to connect over the web into a Windows Vista machine
>>to see exactly what they see, including the backup Buffalo unit. I checked
>>terminal services, but apparently it can only happen into a Win Sever 2008,
>>which I have the license for, through the Action Pack. Should I virtualize
>>this main machine with Win Server 08 (to allow the free, authenticated
>>access) and the Win Vista business (so my wife can use it for everyday email
>>and MS office use) on this one PC? Can this be done with a workgroup? The
>>windows help said to use the IP address, but the PC has a local address after
>>the IP address assigned by Time Warner Cable. Am I overcomplicating this? Is
>>there a way to fully "see" a Vista PC that's on a workgroup with a
>>router/cable modem connection so that I can access everything in it, and on
>>the workgroup and "sight" it as well?
>>--
>
>This is really not a VirtualPC question so it does not belong here.
>
>However, I can advice you to check out LogMeIn.com.
>(http://www.logmein.com/)
>They have a remote connection service that works just fine, I use the
>free version to do IT support for my mother and my Mother-In-Law (both
>85+). I have set up their PC:s to be LogMeIn-aware and I can now
>connect to them from anywhere I happen to be as long as I have an
>Internet access. :-)
>I have also set up my home PC as a LogMeIn server so I can access that
>from whereever and this way I only need a standard PC to connect.
>Works fine for me and I believe it would also for you. :-)

>They have a 30-day trial and then you have to pay a monthly license
>fee. :-(
>OTOH, GoToMyPC is offered by Citrix, a company with a long time
>history of remote control software (I even think that Microsoft RDP is
>actually based on licensed Citrix software).
>On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:09:11 +0100, "Mark Rae [MVP]"
><(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>
>>"Robert Comer" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
>>news:(email address - cut out)...
>>
>>>> However, I can advise you to check out LogMeIn.com.
>>>
>>> I second that advice, or maybe something like GoToMyPC. It really
>>> sounds like it would fit better with what you need and be easier to
>>> set up.
>>
>>Me too, particularly GoToMyPC which I've used for years without a problem...
>
>Seems like GoToMyPC does not have a free offering for personal use...
>They have a 30-day trial and then you have to pay a monthly license
>fee. :-(
>
>LogMeIn has a limited version (some not so important features
>disabled) that is completely free for personal use. That is the one I
>use.
>
>OTOH, GoToMyPC is offered by Citrix, a company with a long time
>history of remote control software (I even think that Microsoft RDP is
>actually based on licensed Citrix software).

>computer without a dedicated IP address (such as in a shared internet cable
>modem connection), right?
>I got laid off, and just recently had spent money on MS' Action Pack, so, no,
>Mark, I did not want to spend any more money since I do not have an income.
>As for the larger appeal of FREE, read Mallcolm Gladwell's review of "Free:
>The Future of a Radical Price" by the editor of Wired, Chris Anderson. It
>came out in the July 6 & 13 issue of the The New Yorker. I wouldn't mind
>banner ads or something like that since it's what's been happening with a lot
>of other things. Bo, thank you so much for the tip. I see you're in a very
>similar situation, in terms of long-distance family tech support issues.
>Notwithstanding Milton Friedman's position, sometimes a free lunch is what an
>unemployed person needs, in a country without a real safety net for honest
>workers who play by the rules.
>
>The larger question remains, though: one cannot use terminal services into a
>computer without a dedicated IP address (such as in a shared internet cable
>modem connection), right?

>which may work too, but requires more of infrastructure setup to be
>safe on the Internet.
>Then RealVNC (http://www.realvnc.com) offers a "Free Edition" and also
>a supported "Personal Edition" for $30 per controlled PC, and this is
>not a suscription so it is within reason, I believe.
>On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:12:26 +0100, "Mark Rae [MVP]"
><(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>
>>"Bo Berglund" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
>>news:(email address - cut out)...
>>
>>> Seems like GoToMyPC does not have a free offering for personal use...
>>> They have a 30-day trial and then you have to pay a monthly license
>>> fee. :-(
>>
>>LOL! Everybody wants a free lunch... :-)
>>
>>Sometimes you (don't) get what you (don't) pay for...
>
>Well $20 a month for a connection to a single PC translates to $240 a
>year, quite substantial for a private person out of a job....
>
>And I would not dream of paying $480 a year just to be able to help my
>mother and mother-in-law with their email and text editing
>occationally.
>Here LogMeIn offers exactly what I need.
>
>The OP might also have a look at TightVNC (http://www.tightvnc.com/),
>which may work too, but requires more of infrastructure setup to be
>safe on the Internet.
>Then RealVNC (http://www.realvnc.com) offers a "Free Edition" and also
>a supported "Personal Edition" for $30 per controlled PC, and this is
>not a suscription so it is within reason, I believe.

> LogMeIn has a limited version (some not so important features
> disabled) that is completely free for personal use. That is the one I
> use.

> I really would *not* suggest that, it's great on local LANs, but not
> for much else. (unless you use VPN to get to a local LAN, then use
> VNC.)

>I lost my job and have to be overseas for a while. Need to remote into one of
>the PCs in my workgroup over the web here in the US. I have a Buffalo
>linkstation on the workgroup where every individual PC (my kids' and wife's)
>saves files to. I need to connect over the web into a Windows Vista machine
>to see exactly what they see, including the backup Buffalo unit. I checked
>terminal services, but apparently it can only happen into a Win Sever 2008,
>which I have the license for, through the Action Pack. Should I virtualize
>this main machine with Win Server 08 (to allow the free, authenticated
>access) and the Win Vista business (so my wife can use it for everyday email
>and MS office use) on this one PC? Can this be done with a workgroup? The
>windows help said to use the IP address, but the PC has a local address after
>the IP address assigned by Time Warner Cable. Am I overcomplicating this? Is
>there a way to fully "see" a Vista PC that's on a workgroup with a
>router/cable modem connection so that I can access everything in it, and on
>the workgroup and "sight" it as well?
>--

>> However, I can advise you to check out LogMeIn.com.
>
> I second that advice, or maybe something like GoToMyPC. It really
> sounds like it would fit better with what you need and be easier to
> set up.

> Seems like GoToMyPC does not have a free offering for personal use...
> They have a 30-day trial and then you have to pay a monthly license
> fee. :-(

>"Robert Comer" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
>news:(email address - cut out)...
>
>>> However, I can advise you to check out LogMeIn.com.
>>
>> I second that advice, or maybe something like GoToMyPC. It really
>> sounds like it would fit better with what you need and be easier to
>> set up.
>
>Me too, particularly GoToMyPC which I've used for years without a problem...

> On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:21:52 -0700, "Karl E. Peterson"
> <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>
>>Bo Berglund wrote:
>>> LogMeIn has a limited version (some not so important features
>>> disabled) that is completely free for personal use. That is the one I
>>> use.
>>
>>How is it at navigating through the router? (One of my peeves with MSTSC is that
>>I
>>need a dedicated port for each machine, and my crappy LinkSys router only holds
>>ten
>>assigments in its port forwarding table.)
>
> I don't know what kind of technique it uses, only tat it starts up as
> an http webpage back at LogMeIn that switches to https (encrypted) and
> then after a while the desktop is displayed inside the browser.
>
> I know that it actually does work at my workplace, where the IT
> department has shut down virtually all access to the Internet except
> http browsing. :-)

> Here LogMeIn offers exactly what I need.
> The OP might also have a look at TightVNC (http://www.tightvnc.com/),
> which may work too, but requires more of infrastructure setup to be
> safe on the Internet.
> Then RealVNC (http://www.realvnc.com) offers a "Free Edition" and also
> a supported "Personal Edition" for $30 per controlled PC, and this is
> not a suscription so it is within reason, I believe.

>Robert Comer wrote:
>> I really would *not* suggest that, it's great on local LANs, but not
>> for much else. (unless you use VPN to get to a local LAN, then use
>> VNC.)
>
>Why not? I've used UltraVNC over the internet, without issue.

>"Bo Berglund" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
>news:(email address - cut out)...
>
>> Seems like GoToMyPC does not have a free offering for personal use...
>> They have a 30-day trial and then you have to pay a monthly license
>> fee. :-(
>
>LOL! Everybody wants a free lunch... :-)
>
>Sometimes you (don't) get what you (don't) pay for...

>
>The larger question remains, though: one cannot use terminal services into a
>computer without a dedicated IP address (such as in a shared internet cable
>modem connection), right?

>"Bo Berglund" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
>news:(email address - cut out)...
>
>> Here LogMeIn offers exactly what I need.
>
>That's great.
>
>
>> The OP might also have a look at TightVNC (http://www.tightvnc.com/),
>> which may work too, but requires more of infrastructure setup to be
>> safe on the Internet.
>> Then RealVNC (http://www.realvnc.com) offers a "Free Edition" and also
>> a supported "Personal Edition" for $30 per controlled PC, and this is
>> not a suscription so it is within reason, I believe.
>
>I agree with Bob - no use at all for anything other than LANs...

>Bo Berglund wrote:
>> LogMeIn has a limited version (some not so important features
>> disabled) that is completely free for personal use. That is the one I
>> use.
>
>How is it at navigating through the router? (One of my peeves with MSTSC is that I
>need a dedicated port for each machine, and my crappy LinkSys router only holds ten
>assigments in its port forwarding table.)

>> I really would *not* suggest that, it's great on local LANs, but not
>> for much else. (unless you use VPN to get to a local LAN, then use
>> VNC.)
>
> Why not? I've used UltraVNC over the internet, without issue.

>Bo Berglund wrote:
>> On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:21:52 -0700, "Karl E. Peterson"
>> <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>>
>>>Bo Berglund wrote:
>>>> LogMeIn has a limited version (some not so important features
>>>> disabled) that is completely free for personal use. That is the one I
>>>> use.
>>>
>>>How is it at navigating through the router? (One of my peeves with MSTSC is that
>>>I
>>>need a dedicated port for each machine, and my crappy LinkSys router only holds
>>>ten
>>>assigments in its port forwarding table.)
>>
>> I don't know what kind of technique it uses, only tat it starts up as
>> an http webpage back at LogMeIn that switches to https (encrypted) and
>> then after a while the desktop is displayed inside the browser.
>>
>> I know that it actually does work at my workplace, where the IT
>> department has shut down virtually all access to the Internet except
>> http browsing. :-)
>
>So you can get out, right? Or are you saying that you can get into work using it,
>too? I'm assuming the former. Are the machines you're hooking up to sitting behind
>a router? If so, I'd have to think there almost has to be some sort of port
>forwarding going on.

>>So you can get out, right? Or are you saying that you can get into work using it,
>>too? I'm assuming the former. Are the machines you're hooking up to sitting
>>behind a router? If so, I'd have to think there almost has to be some sort of
>>port
>>forwarding going on.
>
> Please try!
> It really does work and I am pretty sure that the way it is done is by
> using straight http, which is allowed through the firewalls/routers
> and what have you.
> The connection data are held at the LogMeIn server to which each PC
> will connect. Quite possibly the actual session data are channeled
> through the LogMeIn server as well, but this I do not know.