> So even though I am protecting myself as you described too, I also
> have to use AV software to be really at ease.

> Absolutely wrong. I was just visiting a computer savvy persons PC a
> few days ago. Somehow she was visiting a few different suppliers web
> sites and a piece of malware/scareware called Final came down to her
> PC.

>> Absolutely wrong. I was just visiting a computer savvy persons PC a
>> few days ago. Somehow she was visiting a few different suppliers web
>> sites and a piece of malware/scareware called Final came down to her
>> PC.
>
>So they must have done something stupid, but of course they won't ADMIT to
>doing something stupid. Like clicking on a popup window that asks to
>check your system for malware, etc. You don't get infected from simply
>browsing, unless you are running IE5 in Windows 2000 or something equally
>ancient.

> Yes, you do get infected, at least scareware/malware, from simple
> browsing on reputable web sites. And her system was right up to date
> with the patches, IE version, etc, etc.

>"Tony Toews [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
>
>> Yes, you do get infected, at least scareware/malware, from simple
>> browsing on reputable web sites. And her system was right up to date
>> with the patches, IE version, etc, etc.
>
>So you'll have no trouble pointing me to such a website, right? Cookies
>are not malware.
>
>What exactly is "scareware"?

>> Yes, you do get infected, at least scareware/malware, from simple
>> browsing on reputable web sites. And her system was right up to date
>> with the patches, IE version, etc, etc.
>
>So you'll have no trouble pointing me to such a website, right? Cookies
>are not malware.
>What exactly is "scareware"?

> ScareWare gives you a pop-up warning saying your system is infected
> with X viruses!! Click here to download antivirusware to clean your
> system.
> No way I'm posting a direct link to any website with malware on a
> public forum though.

>to leave them enabled.
>I have been asking for such a website for years. No one has ever been able
>to supply one.
>"Steve Jain [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
>news:(email address - cut out)...
>
>> ScareWare gives you a pop-up warning saying your system is infected
>> with X viruses!! Click here to download antivirusware to clean your
>> system.
>
>Like I said, you have to do something stupid: by clicking on the popup that
>volunteers to fix your "infection". This then does the actual download
>because you APPROVED the download! This is NOT the same as getting
>infected from just browsing.
>
>Popups should ALWAYS be disabled in your browser - there is no valid reason
>to leave them enabled.
>
>> No way I'm posting a direct link to any website with malware on a
>> public forum though.
>
>I'll take that as meaning you have no such link. I am asking for a link
>that infects you JUST from browsing. A popup "scareware" warning does not
>count, because you have to do something stupid - approving the download - to
>get infected, and I have popups disabled anyway.
>
>I maintain that there are no websites where you get silently, automatically
>infected. You HAVE to do something stupid. Successful infections are
>the result of social engineering, not software engineering. You have to
>be tricked into agreeing to the download. Vista and 7 will notify you
>when something tries to install (the much hated UAC that you should NOT
>disable!!!!), so I can stop it even if I do something stupid like AGREEING
>TO THE DOWNLOAD!!!!
>
>I have been asking for such a website for years. No one has ever been able
>to supply one.