> We had a terrible storm last night and all today and it awoke me in the
> early morning with a very loud series of thunder claps. I decided I would
> shut down the computers although they are on managed APC UPS. I had VPC with
> Vista Ultimate running. It took a very long time to shut down because I have
> undo disks on and it takes a long time to save state when it has been
> running for a week. While I was waiting for it to finish and shut down, so I
> could shut down the host, I got to thinking about how would this be handled
> if the electricity had gone off and my UPS took over.
>
> I have the host XP Pro on Hibernate and APC's PowerChute software manages
> the shutdown. But what happens if the guest Vista machine is running also
> and the power goes out? I can't find hibernation on Vista. Would the guest
> be saved in hibernation state of the host?
>
> Anyhow, would PowerChute shut down the guest with no time for it to save
> state or what? I had not thought about it before now. I've had APC UPSes
> for many years but I only started using hibernation and the Power Chute
> software recently.
>
> Also, if I shut down manually when there is a storm, I am not clear about
> what choices there are except save state or don't. As save state takes a
> long time is there a choice besides don't save? So that I could shut the
> guest down faster so I could shut the host down quickly if I think there may
> be a power outage at any moment? (I hate the way Vista takes forever to
> shut down even when undo disks is not used. I think XP and Vista should be
> like 98SE and shut down instantly when told to do so and neither do that.
> Vista takes forever).

> Melelina wrote:
>> We had a terrible storm last night and all today and it awoke me in
>> the early morning with a very loud series of thunder claps. I decided
>> I would shut down the computers although they are on managed APC UPS.
>> I had VPC with Vista Ultimate running. It took a very long time to
>> shut down because I have undo disks on and it takes a long time to
>> save state when it has been running for a week. While I was waiting
>> for it to finish and shut down, so I could shut down the host, I got
>> to thinking about how would this be handled if the electricity had
>> gone off and my UPS took over.
>>
>> I have the host XP Pro on Hibernate and APC's PowerChute software
>> manages the shutdown. But what happens if the guest Vista machine is
>> running also and the power goes out? I can't find hibernation on
>> Vista. Would the guest be saved in hibernation state of the host?
>>
>> Anyhow, would PowerChute shut down the guest with no time for it to
>> save state or what? I had not thought about it before now. I've had
>> APC UPSes for many years but I only started using hibernation and the
>> Power Chute software recently.
>>
>> Also, if I shut down manually when there is a storm, I am not clear
>> about what choices there are except save state or don't. As save state
>> takes a long time is there a choice besides don't save? So that I
>> could shut the guest down faster so I could shut the host down quickly
>> if I think there may be a power outage at any moment? (I hate the way
>> Vista takes forever to shut down even when undo disks is not used. I
>> think XP and Vista should be like 98SE and shut down instantly when
>> told to do so and neither do that. Vista takes forever).
>
> Meleleina:
>
> If you hibernate the host, you should not have to do anything to the
> guests; they should come back exactly as they were before the
> hibernation (VPC is just like any other application).
>
> See this link for how to reactivate the hibernate option in Vista:
>
> http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/re-enable-hibernate-option-in-windows-vista/
>
>
> [My understanding, possibly wrong, is that Sleep in Vista is a
> combination of Standby and Hibernate in XP; the hibernate file is
> created, and the computer is put into standby. Under normal
> circumstances it resumes quickly as from standby, but if the power fails
> it will resume as from hibernation.]
>

> Melelina wrote:
>> I have the host XP Pro on Hibernate and APC's PowerChute software manages
>> the shutdown. But what happens if the guest Vista machine is running also
>> and the power goes out? I can't find hibernation on Vista. Would the
>> guest be saved in hibernation state of the host?
>>
>> Anyhow, would PowerChute shut down the guest with no time for it to save
>> state or what? I had not thought about it before now. I've had APC UPSes
>> for many years but I only started using hibernation and the Power Chute
>> software recently.
>>
>> Also, if I shut down manually when there is a storm, I am not clear about
>> what choices there are except save state or don't. As save state takes a
>> long time is there a choice besides don't save? So that I could shut the
>> guest down faster so I could shut the host down quickly if I think there
>> may be a power outage at any moment? (I hate the way Vista takes forever
>> to shut down even when undo disks is not used. I think XP and Vista
>> should be like 98SE and shut down instantly when told to do so and
>> neither do that. Vista takes forever).
>
> Meleleina:
>
> If you hibernate the host, you should not have to do anything to the
> guests; they should come back exactly as they were before the hibernation
> (VPC is just like any other application).
>
> See this link for how to reactivate the hibernate option in Vista:
>
> http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/re-enable-hibernate-option-in-windows-vista/
>
> [My understanding, possibly wrong, is that Sleep in Vista is a combination
> of Standby and Hibernate in XP; the hibernate file is created, and the
> computer is put into standby. Under normal circumstances it resumes
> quickly as from standby, but if the power fails it will resume as from
> hibernation.]
> --
> David Wilkinson
> Visual C++ MVP

> --->
>> Melelina wrote:
>>>>>> I have the host XP Pro on Hibernate and APC's PowerChute software
>>> manages the shutdown. But what happens if the guest Vista machine is
>>> running also and the power goes out? I can't find hibernation on Vista.
>>> Would the guest be saved in hibernation state of the host?
>>>
>>> Anyhow, would PowerChute shut down the guest with no time for it to save
>>> state or what? I had not thought about it before now. I've had APC
>>> UPSes for many years but I only started using hibernation and the Power
>>> Chute software recently.
>>>
>>> Also, if I shut down manually when there is a storm, I am not clear
>>
>> Meleleina:
>>
>> If you hibernate the host, you should not have to do anything to the
>> guests; they should come back exactly as they were before the hibernation
>> (VPC is just like any other application).
>>
>> See this link for how to reactivate the hibernate option in Vista:
>>
>> http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/re-enable-hibernate-option-in-windows-vista/
>> [My understanding, possibly wrong, is that Sleep in Vista is a
>> combination of Standby and Hibernate in XP; the hibernate file is
>> created, and the computer is put into standby. Under normal circumstances
>> it resumes quickly as from standby, but if the power fails it will resume
>> as from hibernation.]
>>
>
> David:
>
> I took some finding, but there actually IS a link in Vista Help and
> Support m(search for "hibernation") that will tell you how to do it though
> using a command:
>
> Start -> Run (as administrator) -> "powercfg -h ON" without the quotes
>
> The same H&S page displayed will also have a simple link marked "Click hee
> to re-enable hibernation".
>
> I set mine to ON, which then allows the offering of 'hibernation' on the
> Start -> Shut down button.
>
> Mine kept disappearing and I'd have to keep setting it to ON until I found
> out that running the disk cleanup utility AND checking the 'Hibernation
> File cleaner' would reset this option. Duh!
>
> GP

>
>
> "Melelina" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
> news:#(email address - cut out)...
>>
>> "Grand_Poobah" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
>> news:(email address - cut out)...
>>> --->
>>>> Melelina wrote:
>>>>>>>> I have the host XP Pro on Hibernate and APC's PowerChute software
>>>>> manages the shutdown. But what happens if the guest Vista machine
>>>>> is running also and the power goes out? I can't find hibernation on
>>>>> Vista. Would the guest be saved in hibernation state of the host?
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyhow, would PowerChute shut down the guest with no time for it to
>>>>> save state or what? I had not thought about it before now. I've
>>>>> had APC UPSes for many years but I only started using hibernation
>>>>> and the Power Chute software recently.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, if I shut down manually when there is a storm, I am not clear
>>>>
>>>> Meleleina:
>>>>
>>>> If you hibernate the host, you should not have to do anything to the
>>>> guests; they should come back exactly as they were before the
>>>> hibernation (VPC is just like any other application).
>>>>
>>>> See this link for how to reactivate the hibernate option in Vista:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/re-enable-hibernate-option-in-windows-vista/
>>>> [My understanding, possibly wrong, is that Sleep in Vista is a
>>>> combination of Standby and Hibernate in XP; the hibernate file is
>>>> created, and the computer is put into standby. Under normal
>>>> circumstances it resumes quickly as from standby, but if the power
>>>> fails it will resume as from hibernation.]
>>>>
>>>
>>> David:
>>>
>>> I took some finding, but there actually IS a link in Vista Help and
>>> Support m(search for "hibernation") that will tell you how to do it
>>> though using a command:
>>>
>>> Start -> Run (as administrator) -> "powercfg -h ON" without the quotes
>>>
>>> The same H&S page displayed will also have a simple link marked
>>> "Click hee to re-enable hibernation".
>>>
>>> I set mine to ON, which then allows the offering of 'hibernation' on
>>> the Start -> Shut down button.
>>>
>>> Mine kept disappearing and I'd have to keep setting it to ON until I
>>> found out that running the disk cleanup utility AND checking the
>>> 'Hibernation File cleaner' would reset this option. Duh!
>>>
>>> GP
>>
>> I did the "powercfg -h ON" command. I had to open a command window
>> and do it there and I found the problem! It says:
>>
>> Hibernation failed with the following error. The request is not
>> supported.
>>
>> The following items are preventing hibernation on this system:
>>
>> The system firmware does not support hibernation.
>>
>> There are one or more legacy drivers installed:
>> 1-driver- vmsrvc
>> vpc-s3
>>
>> vmsrvc is virtual machine additions. vpc-s3 appears to be a battery
>> for Sanyo digital cameras which I don't have so that one puzzles me.
>> Obviously, hibernation with VPC is done via the host machine only if
>> there is a power outage and you have software to manage shutdown and
>> put the host into hibernation.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> In this case I think that it is more likely that vpc-s3 refers to the
> driver for the emulated video card in the vm (which is an s3 trio).

> "David Wilkinson" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
> news:(email address - cut out)...
>> Melelina wrote:
>>> I have the host XP Pro on Hibernate and APC's PowerChute software manages
>>> the shutdown. But what happens if the guest Vista machine is running also
>>> and the power goes out? I can't find hibernation on Vista. Would the
>>> guest be saved in hibernation state of the host?
>>>
>>> Anyhow, would PowerChute shut down the guest with no time for it to save
>>> state or what? I had not thought about it before now. I've had APC UPSes
>>> for many years but I only started using hibernation and the Power Chute
>>> software recently.
>>>
>>> Also, if I shut down manually when there is a storm, I am not clear about
>>> what choices there are except save state or don't. As save state takes a
>>> long time is there a choice besides don't save? So that I could shut the
>>> guest down faster so I could shut the host down quickly if I think there
>>> may be a power outage at any moment? (I hate the way Vista takes forever
>>> to shut down even when undo disks is not used. I think XP and Vista
>>> should be like 98SE and shut down instantly when told to do so and
>>> neither do that. Vista takes forever).
>> Meleleina:
>>
>> If you hibernate the host, you should not have to do anything to the
>> guests; they should come back exactly as they were before the hibernation
>> (VPC is just like any other application).
>
> That's good to know.
>> See this link for how to reactivate the hibernate option in Vista:
>>
>> http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/re-enable-hibernate-option-in-windows-vista/
>>
>> [My understanding, possibly wrong, is that Sleep in Vista is a combination
>> of Standby and Hibernate in XP; the hibernate file is created, and the
>> computer is put into standby. Under normal circumstances it resumes
>> quickly as from standby, but if the power fails it will resume as from
>> hibernation.]
>
> I think the Power Plans in Vista are ridiculous and very difficult to work
> with. Power options for all previous versions of Windows were understandable
> and easy to work with (although Power Options for 98SE was rather buggy). I
> have no Sleep or Standby options for the "Plan" I chose which is HIgh
> Performance. I also have no hibernation. My choices are to manually shut
> down and that is it except I could set the monitor to shut down after 5
> minutes of inactivity and I find that does not work reliably in Vista. It is
> VERY reliable in XP though.
>
> There are a bunch of Advanced choices ALL having to do with laptops. The
> Vista Help file assumes that a user has a laptop and does not mention Power
> Savings settings for desktops. It is confusing, difficult and very round
> about to properly set a desktop running Vista with Power Savings. Plus,
> there is NO hibernation for a desktop that I can find. ALL references to
> sleep, on battery, when to shutdown, etc. in the Vista Help file refer
> exclusively to laptops. I find that astounding and insulting. I hate
> laptops. I want help on how to use Power Savings in Vista for desktops.
>
>> --
>> David Wilkinson
>> Visual C++ MVP
>
>
>

> --->
>>
>>
>> "Melelina" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
>> news:#(email address - cut out)...
>>>
>>> "Grand_Poobah" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
>>> news:(email address - cut out)...
>>>> --->
>>>>> Melelina wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I have the host XP Pro on Hibernate and APC's PowerChute software
>>>>>> manages the shutdown. But what happens if the guest Vista machine is
>>>>>> running also and the power goes out? I can't find hibernation on
>>>>>> Vista. Would the guest be saved in hibernation state of the host?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyhow, would PowerChute shut down the guest with no time for it to
>>>>>> save state or what? I had not thought about it before now. I've had
>>>>>> APC UPSes for many years but I only started using hibernation and the
>>>>>> Power Chute software recently.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, if I shut down manually when there is a storm, I am not clear
>>>>>
>>>>> Meleleina:
>>>>>
>>>>> If you hibernate the host, you should not have to do anything to the
>>>>> guests; they should come back exactly as they were before the
>>>>> hibernation (VPC is just like any other application).
>>>>>
>>>>> See this link for how to reactivate the hibernate option in Vista:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/re-enable-hibernate-option-in-windows-vista/
>>>>> [My understanding, possibly wrong, is that Sleep in Vista is a
>>>>> combination of Standby and Hibernate in XP; the hibernate file is
>>>>> created, and the computer is put into standby. Under normal
>>>>> circumstances it resumes quickly as from standby, but if the power
>>>>> fails it will resume as from hibernation.]
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> David:
>>>>
>>>> I took some finding, but there actually IS a link in Vista Help and
>>>> Support m(search for "hibernation") that will tell you how to do it
>>>> though using a command:
>>>>
>>>> Start -> Run (as administrator) -> "powercfg -h ON" without the quotes
>>>>
>>>> The same H&S page displayed will also have a simple link marked "Click
>>>> hee to re-enable hibernation".
>>>>
>>>> I set mine to ON, which then allows the offering of 'hibernation' on
>>>> the Start -> Shut down button.
>>>>
>>>> Mine kept disappearing and I'd have to keep setting it to ON until I
>>>> found out that running the disk cleanup utility AND checking the
>>>> 'Hibernation File cleaner' would reset this option. Duh!
>>>>
>>>> GP
>>>
>>> I did the "powercfg -h ON" command. I had to open a command window and
>>> do it there and I found the problem! It says:
>>>
>>> Hibernation failed with the following error. The request is not
>>> supported.
>>>
>>> The following items are preventing hibernation on this system:
>>>
>>> The system firmware does not support hibernation.
>>>
>>> There are one or more legacy drivers installed:
>>> 1-driver- vmsrvc
>>> vpc-s3
>>>
>>> vmsrvc is virtual machine additions. vpc-s3 appears to be a battery for
>>> Sanyo digital cameras which I don't have so that one puzzles me.
>>> Obviously, hibernation with VPC is done via the host machine only if
>>> there is a power outage and you have software to manage shutdown and put
>>> the host into hibernation.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> In this case I think that it is more likely that vpc-s3 refers to the
>> driver for the emulated video card in the vm (which is an s3 trio).
>
> Yes. I think so also. I can see a driver called that too.
>
> GP

>
> "Grand_Poobah" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
> news:(email address - cut out)...
>> --->
>>> Melelina wrote:
>>>>>>> I have the host XP Pro on Hibernate and APC's PowerChute software
>>>> manages the shutdown. But what happens if the guest Vista machine is
>>>> running also and the power goes out? I can't find hibernation on Vista.
>>>> Would the guest be saved in hibernation state of the host?
>>>>
>>>> Anyhow, would PowerChute shut down the guest with no time for it to
>>>> save state or what? I had not thought about it before now. I've had
>>>> APC UPSes for many years but I only started using hibernation and the
>>>> Power Chute software recently.
>>>>
>>>> Also, if I shut down manually when there is a storm, I am not clear
>>>
>>> Meleleina:
>>>
>>> If you hibernate the host, you should not have to do anything to the
>>> guests; they should come back exactly as they were before the
>>> hibernation (VPC is just like any other application).
>>>
>>> See this link for how to reactivate the hibernate option in Vista:
>>>
>>> http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/re-enable-hibernate-option-in-windows-vista/
>>> [My understanding, possibly wrong, is that Sleep in Vista is a
>>> combination of Standby and Hibernate in XP; the hibernate file is
>>> created, and the computer is put into standby. Under normal
>>> circumstances it resumes quickly as from standby, but if the power fails
>>> it will resume as from hibernation.]
>>>
>>
>> David:
>>
>> I took some finding, but there actually IS a link in Vista Help and
>> Support m(search for "hibernation") that will tell you how to do it
>> though using a command:
>>
>> Start -> Run (as administrator) -> "powercfg -h ON" without the quotes
>>
>> The same H&S page displayed will also have a simple link marked "Click
>> hee to re-enable hibernation".
>>
>> I set mine to ON, which then allows the offering of 'hibernation' on the
>> Start -> Shut down button.
>>
>> Mine kept disappearing and I'd have to keep setting it to ON until I
>> found out that running the disk cleanup utility AND checking the
>> 'Hibernation File cleaner' would reset this option. Duh!
>>
>> GP
>
> I did the "powercfg -h ON" command. I had to open a command window and do
> it there and I found the problem! It says:
>
> Hibernation failed with the following error. The request is not supported.
>
> The following items are preventing hibernation on this system:
>
> The system firmware does not support hibernation.
>
> There are one or more legacy drivers installed:
> 1-driver- vmsrvc
> vpc-s3
>
> vmsrvc is virtual machine additions. vpc-s3 appears to be a battery for
> Sanyo digital cameras which I don't have so that one puzzles me.
> Obviously, hibernation with VPC is done via the host machine only if there
> is a power outage and you have software to manage shutdown and put the
> host into hibernation.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>