Sent: 12/08/2008
From: Robert Comer <(email address - cut out)>
Message:>A LOT faster?
Definitely, over twice as fast here.
Nothing, but if you have a bunch of existing ISO's, it's just as easy
to attach them to a VM and you don't have to get out the DVD.
--
Bob Comer
On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:08:55 -0000, "Mark Rae [MVP]"
<(email address - cut out)> wrote:
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>I can't agree with that. Put the media in the optical drive, capture it in
>the host, and off we go - what's inconvenient about that...?
>"Robert Comer" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
>news:(email address - cut out)...
>
>>> Why? If the DVD is in good condition, it makes not the slightest
>>> difference...
>>
>> Installing an OS from an ISO is a LOT faster
>
>A LOT faster?
>
>> and more convenient in VPC/VS...
>
>I can't agree with that. Put the media in the optical drive, capture it in
>the host, and off we go - what's inconvenient about that...?
Sent: 12/08/2008
From: "Steve Jain [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 02:09:49 -1000, "Melelina" <(email address - cut out)>
wrote:
1.much, much faster
2. no need for the media after you make the ISO image
3. much more convenient, especially with virtual server, hyperv,
vmware server, esx, etc.
It depends on how many VMs you're installing, where your computers are
(remote servers, etc) there are a lot of good reasons to do it.
I don't install on DVD or CD ever, too slow and too much hassle
fussing with the optical media. Just drag and drop the ISO onto the
CD icon and away you go.
An ISO is an image file, you don't need a dvd burner. You create an
ISO image to your hard drive
--
Cheers,
Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
http://vpc.essjae.com/
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>
>"Bo Berglund" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
>news:(email address - cut out)...
>> On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:23:00 -0800, dardanus
>> <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>>
>>>when i install windows vista ultimate(dutch) on my windows xp
>>>professional(english) using vpc 2007 i get the message: "er is een
>>>uitzondering opgetreden(onbekende software-uitzondering) (0xe0000100) in
>>>de
>>>toepassing op de locatie0x7649b09e." when i click ok the (virtual)system
>>>starts again it says windows is loading files when that is finished it
>>>starts
>>>loading vista like normall, it displays the windows vista aero background
>>>and
>>>it displays the message again.
>>>
>>
>> Can you describe exactly *how* you are attempting to install Vista on
>> your virtual machine inside VPC2007?
>>
>> If you just insert the DVD into the main (physical) PC drive then of
>> course your *main* PC will use it....
>>
>> It is very much better to create an ISO image of the DVD before trying
>> to install Vista on the virtual machine. Then you do not need the DVD
>> in your drive and your main system will never have a problem caused by
>> reading the install disk.
>
>Why is it "much better to create an ISO image? I have never done such a
>thing. There is no need for a hassle like that. You just need to create the
>machine, then click on it, make it sure it is the active window and then
>insert the CD into your drive and install the OS. It is a simple thing and
>no need to complicate it with making as ISO image first. Probably, dardanus
>did not make the virtual machine window the ACTIVE window.
>
>I installed Vista Ultimate on XP Pro host with no problems and no need to
>make a ISO image. I cannot make a DVD ISO image anyhow. I only have a CDROM
>drive that writes. I can't even make a backup of my Vista DVDs. The only
>time I have ever needed DVD write capability was for this Vista DVD so I
>don't think I went wrong in not getting anything more than a DVD reader
>although my next computer will have DVD write capability.
Sent: 12/08/2008
From: "Mark Rae [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:"Bo Berglund" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
news:(email address - cut out)...
So you simply cancel autorun / autoplay and then capture the DVD in the
guest...
Why? If the DVD is in good condition, it makes not the slightest
difference...
Why would it...? In all the years I've been using VPC, I've never had one
single problem with a guest reading a DVD...
--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net
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> If you just insert the DVD into the main (physical) PC drive then of
> course your *main* PC will use it....
> It is very much better to create an ISO image of the DVD before trying
> to install Vista on the virtual machine.
> Then you do not need the DVD in your drive and your main system will
> never have a problem caused by reading the install disk.
Sent: 12/08/2008
From: "Mark Rae [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:"Melelina" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
news:(email address - cut out)...
It isn't.
Me neither.
Agreed.
Doubtless.
--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net
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>> It is very much better to create an ISO image of the DVD before trying
>> to install Vista on the virtual machine. Then you do not need the DVD
>> in your drive and your main system will never have a problem caused by
>> reading the install disk.
>
> Why is it "much better to create an ISO image?"
> I have never done such a thing.
> There is no need for a hassle like that. You just need to create the
> machine, then click on it, make it sure it is the active window and then
> insert the CD into your drive and install the OS. It is a simple thing and
> no need to complicate it with making as ISO image first.
> Probably, dardanus did not make the virtual machine window the ACTIVE
> window.
Sent: 12/08/2008
From: "Mark Rae [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:"Robert Comer" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
news:(email address - cut out)...
A LOT faster?
I can't agree with that. Put the media in the optical drive, capture it in
the host, and off we go - what's inconvenient about that...?
--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net
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>> Why? If the DVD is in good condition, it makes not the slightest
>> difference...
>
> Installing an OS from an ISO is a LOT faster
> and more convenient in VPC/VS...
Sent: 12/08/2008
From: "Mark Rae [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:"Robert Comer" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
news:(email address - cut out)...
Fair enough.
:-)
--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net
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>>A LOT faster?
>
> Definitely, over twice as fast here.
>> I can't agree with that. Put the media in the optical drive, capture it
>> in
>> the host, and off we go - what's inconvenient about that...?
>
> Nothing, but if you have a bunch of existing ISO's, it's just as easy
> to attach them to a VM and you don't have to get out the DVD.
Sent: 12/08/2008
From: "Mark Rae [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:"Bo Berglund" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
news:(email address - cut out)...
I don't believe anyone actually said that - I certainly didn't even think
it...
You said "It is very much better to create an ISO image of the DVD
before trying to install..."
And I was simply pointing out that I don't agree with that statement at all.
For me, it is very much better not to fill up my hard disk(s) with iso files
that I might need to use only occasionally, but rather to fetch a DVD out of
its case and put it in my host's optical drive, a process which takes never
more than a few seconds no matter how much I've had to drink, and which has
never failed even once for me...
--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net
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> I thought everybody here considered me an idiot for using ISO
> files....
Sent: 12/08/2008
From: Bo Berglund <(email address - cut out)>
Message:On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:40:07 -0800, "Steve Jain [MVP]"
<(email address - cut out)> wrote:
Thanks Steve,
I thought everybody here considered me an idiot for using ISO
files....
Fast, Always works, Easily portable on hard disk, No hassle with
sometimes nonfunctioning optical drives, MSDN delivers all OSes as ISO
files (both on DVD and as download) etc etc etc..
--
Bo Berglund (Sweden)
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>On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 02:09:49 -1000, "Melelina" <(email address - cut out)>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>"Bo Berglund" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
>>news:(email address - cut out)...
>>> On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:23:00 -0800, dardanus
>>> <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>>>
>>>>when i install windows vista ultimate(dutch) on my windows xp
>>>>professional(english) using vpc 2007 i get the message: "er is een
>>>>uitzondering opgetreden(onbekende software-uitzondering) (0xe0000100) in
>>>>de
>>>>toepassing op de locatie0x7649b09e." when i click ok the (virtual)system
>>>>starts again it says windows is loading files when that is finished it
>>>>starts
>>>>loading vista like normall, it displays the windows vista aero background
>>>>and
>>>>it displays the message again.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Can you describe exactly *how* you are attempting to install Vista on
>>> your virtual machine inside VPC2007?
>>>
>>> If you just insert the DVD into the main (physical) PC drive then of
>>> course your *main* PC will use it....
>>>
>>> It is very much better to create an ISO image of the DVD before trying
>>> to install Vista on the virtual machine. Then you do not need the DVD
>>> in your drive and your main system will never have a problem caused by
>>> reading the install disk.
>>
>>Why is it "much better to create an ISO image? I have never done such a
>>thing. There is no need for a hassle like that. You just need to create the
>>machine, then click on it, make it sure it is the active window and then
>>insert the CD into your drive and install the OS. It is a simple thing and
>>no need to complicate it with making as ISO image first. Probably, dardanus
>>did not make the virtual machine window the ACTIVE window.
>>
>>I installed Vista Ultimate on XP Pro host with no problems and no need to
>>make a ISO image. I cannot make a DVD ISO image anyhow. I only have a CDROM
>>drive that writes. I can't even make a backup of my Vista DVDs. The only
>>time I have ever needed DVD write capability was for this Vista DVD so I
>>don't think I went wrong in not getting anything more than a DVD reader
>>although my next computer will have DVD write capability.
>
>1.much, much faster
>2. no need for the media after you make the ISO image
>3. much more convenient, especially with virtual server, hyperv,
>vmware server, esx, etc.
>
>It depends on how many VMs you're installing, where your computers are
>(remote servers, etc) there are a lot of good reasons to do it.
>
>I don't install on DVD or CD ever, too slow and too much hassle
>fussing with the optical media. Just drag and drop the ISO onto the
>CD icon and away you go.
>
>An ISO is an image file, you don't need a dvd burner. You create an
>ISO image to your hard drive
Sent: 12/08/2008
From: "Melelina" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:
"Steve Jain [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
news:(email address - cut out)...
Huh? What do you mean drop the ISO onto what CD icon? You mean the
emulated CDRom drive on virtual PC? That doesn't make sense.
I know you don't need a dvd burner to make an ISO file but ordinarily you
would complete it by burning to a CD or in the case of Vista a DVD. I just
used Auto Streamer to slip stream SP3 onto my XP Pro SP2 disk. I know how to
work with ISO files and use Nero to burn them to a CD.
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> On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 02:09:49 -1000, "Melelina" <(email address - cut out)>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Bo Berglund" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
>>news:(email address - cut out)...
>>> On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:23:00 -0800, dardanus
>>> <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>>>
>>>>when i install windows vista ultimate(dutch) on my windows xp
>>>>professional(english) using vpc 2007 i get the message: "er is een
>>>>uitzondering opgetreden(onbekende software-uitzondering) (0xe0000100) in
>>>>de
>>>>toepassing op de locatie0x7649b09e." when i click ok the (virtual)system
>>>>starts again it says windows is loading files when that is finished it
>>>>starts
>>>>loading vista like normall, it displays the windows vista aero
>>>>background
>>>>and
>>>>it displays the message again.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Can you describe exactly *how* you are attempting to install Vista on
>>> your virtual machine inside VPC2007?
>>>
>>> If you just insert the DVD into the main (physical) PC drive then of
>>> course your *main* PC will use it....
>>>
>>> It is very much better to create an ISO image of the DVD before trying
>>> to install Vista on the virtual machine. Then you do not need the DVD
>>> in your drive and your main system will never have a problem caused by
>>> reading the install disk.
>>
>>Why is it "much better to create an ISO image? I have never done such a
>>thing. There is no need for a hassle like that. You just need to create
>>the
>>machine, then click on it, make it sure it is the active window and then
>>insert the CD into your drive and install the OS. It is a simple thing and
>>no need to complicate it with making as ISO image first. Probably,
>>dardanus
>>did not make the virtual machine window the ACTIVE window.
>>
>>I installed Vista Ultimate on XP Pro host with no problems and no need to
>>make a ISO image. I cannot make a DVD ISO image anyhow. I only have a
>>CDROM
>>drive that writes. I can't even make a backup of my Vista DVDs. The only
>>time I have ever needed DVD write capability was for this Vista DVD so I
>>don't think I went wrong in not getting anything more than a DVD reader
>>although my next computer will have DVD write capability.
>
> 1.much, much faster
> 2. no need for the media after you make the ISO image
> 3. much more convenient, especially with virtual server, hyperv,
> vmware server, esx, etc.
>
> It depends on how many VMs you're installing, where your computers are
> (remote servers, etc) there are a lot of good reasons to do it.
>
> I don't install on DVD or CD ever, too slow and too much hassle
> fussing with the optical media. Just drag and drop the ISO onto the
> CD icon and away you go.
>
> An ISO is an image file, you don't need a dvd burner. You create an
> ISO image to your hard drive
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
> http://vpc.essjae.com/
Sent: 12/08/2008
From: "Melelina" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:
"Mark Rae [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
news:(email address - cut out)...
I haven't had VPC that long but one thing that impresses me is how it grabs
the CDRom drive when so instructecd and uses it with no problems. I have
problems in this area periodically with my VMWare Workstation 5.5 virtual
machines but never on VPC.
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> "Bo Berglund" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
> news:(email address - cut out)...
>
>> If you just insert the DVD into the main (physical) PC drive then of
>> course your *main* PC will use it....
>
> So you simply cancel autorun / autoplay and then capture the DVD in the
> guest...
>
>> It is very much better to create an ISO image of the DVD before trying
>> to install Vista on the virtual machine.
>
> Why? If the DVD is in good condition, it makes not the slightest
> difference...
>
>> Then you do not need the DVD in your drive and your main system will
>> never have a problem caused by reading the install disk.
>
> Why would it...? In all the years I've been using VPC, I've never had one
> single problem with a guest reading a DVD...
>
>
> --
> Mark Rae
> ASP.NET MVP
> http://www.markrae.net
Sent: 12/09/2008
From: "Melelina" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:
"Mark Rae [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
news:(email address - cut out)...
Bottom left corner? The Start button is there. There is nothing else there
except what you expect in Windows. If you want to grab the CDRom drive or
Floppy drive, you have to use right alt/enter to minimize the screen so you
can see the CDRom on the tool bar. Same with VMWare Workstation. You don't
see anything other than the normal things you would see with any Windows
install unless you minimize the screen and look at the top toolbar.
But yes, it is on the toolbar at the top if you minimize the screen (who
does that unless they have to though) and you can capture the CDRom or DVD
drive or, I just noticed, capture an ISO. I guess I hadn't paid attention to
that choice before.
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> "Melelina" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
> news:(email address - cut out)...
>
>>> I don't install on DVD or CD ever, too slow and too much hassle
>>> fussing with the optical media. Just drag and drop the ISO onto the
>>> CD icon and away you go.
>>
>> Huh? What do you mean drop the ISO onto what CD icon?
>
> The CD icon in the bottom left corner of the VM window. That has the same
> effect as capturing the CD from the VM menu.
>
>> That doesn't make sense.
>
> Makes perfect sense...
>
>
> --
> Mark Rae
> ASP.NET MVP
> http://www.markrae.net
Sent: 12/09/2008
From: "Mark Rae [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:"Melelina" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
news:(email address - cut out)...
The CD icon in the bottom left corner of the VM window. That has the same
effect as capturing the CD from the VM menu.
Makes perfect sense...
--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net
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>> I don't install on DVD or CD ever, too slow and too much hassle
>> fussing with the optical media. Just drag and drop the ISO onto the
>> CD icon and away you go.
>
> Huh? What do you mean drop the ISO onto what CD icon?
> That doesn't make sense.
Sent: 12/09/2008
From: "Steve Jain [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:
On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 02:13:50 -1000, "Melelina" <(email address - cut out)>
wrote:
Sicne VPC was a Mac product long before a Windows product, you can
drag and drop ISOs, floppy images, etc on the icons in the VPC tray in
the lower left of the guest window(obviously you can't have the VM in
full screen mode to do this).
You can also drag and drop file locations, VHDs, etc in most of the
input boxes.
--
Cheers,
Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
http://vpc.essjae.com/
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>
>"Mark Rae [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
>news:(email address - cut out)...
>> "Melelina" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
>> news:(email address - cut out)...
>>
>>>> I don't install on DVD or CD ever, too slow and too much hassle
>>>> fussing with the optical media. Just drag and drop the ISO onto the
>>>> CD icon and away you go.
>>>
>>> Huh? What do you mean drop the ISO onto what CD icon?
>>
>> The CD icon in the bottom left corner of the VM window. That has the same
>> effect as capturing the CD from the VM menu.
>
>Bottom left corner? The Start button is there. There is nothing else there
>except what you expect in Windows. If you want to grab the CDRom drive or
>Floppy drive, you have to use right alt/enter to minimize the screen so you
>can see the CDRom on the tool bar. Same with VMWare Workstation. You don't
>see anything other than the normal things you would see with any Windows
>install unless you minimize the screen and look at the top toolbar.
>
>But yes, it is on the toolbar at the top if you minimize the screen (who
>does that unless they have to though) and you can capture the CDRom or DVD
>drive or, I just noticed, capture an ISO. I guess I hadn't paid attention to
>that choice before.
Sent: 12/10/2008
From: "Melelina" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:
"Steve Jain [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
news:(email address - cut out)...
There is NOTHING in the lower left corner when in non full screen mode. The
only thing there is the Windows Start button. I have NEVER seen this VPC
tray as you call it. How do I see it? Same with VMWare Workstation. There I
can see a tray as it boots but it is non accessible after it boots no matter
if in full screen or not. Generally, though both boot full screen so how
would I know something is there? Using right alt/enter does not reveal this
tray. Non full screen mode only displays the toolbar at the top. Same as
with VMWare Workstation.
I don't even understand that sentence. Drag and drop file locations? What
does that mean? Why would I want to drag and drop a virtual hard drive (I
assume that is what VHD means)?
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> On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 02:13:50 -1000, "Melelina" <(email address - cut out)>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Mark Rae [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
>>news:(email address - cut out)...
>>> "Melelina" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
>>> news:(email address - cut out)...
>>>
>>>>> I don't install on DVD or CD ever, too slow and too much hassle
>>>>> fussing with the optical media. Just drag and drop the ISO onto the
>>>>> CD icon and away you go.
>>>>
>>>> Huh? What do you mean drop the ISO onto what CD icon?
>>>
>>> The CD icon in the bottom left corner of the VM window. That has the
>>> same
>>> effect as capturing the CD from the VM menu.
>>
>>Bottom left corner? The Start button is there. There is nothing else there
>>except what you expect in Windows. If you want to grab the CDRom drive or
>>Floppy drive, you have to use right alt/enter to minimize the screen so
>>you
>>can see the CDRom on the tool bar. Same with VMWare Workstation. You don't
>>see anything other than the normal things you would see with any Windows
>>install unless you minimize the screen and look at the top toolbar.
>>
>>But yes, it is on the toolbar at the top if you minimize the screen (who
>>does that unless they have to though) and you can capture the CDRom or DVD
>>drive or, I just noticed, capture an ISO. I guess I hadn't paid attention
>>to
>>that choice before.
>
> Sicne VPC was a Mac product long before a Windows product, you can
> drag and drop ISOs, floppy images, etc on the icons in the VPC tray in
> the lower left of the guest window(obviously you can't have the VM in
> full screen mode to do this).
> You can also drag and drop file locations, VHDs, etc in most of the
> input boxes.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
> http://vpc.essjae.com/
Sent: 12/10/2008
From: "Steve Jain [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:06:31 -1000, "Melelina" <(email address - cut out)>
wrote:
You may have never seen it, but it's there. It's been in every
version of VPC-Win since the first one back in 2001 (and in the Mac
versions previously). There are screen shots of it in my TechRef PDF
and here:
http://acs.pha.jhu.edu/~shy/vpc-windows/vpc-fc4-installation.png
look in the lower left corner, you will see 5 icons
harddrive:
CD -- drag and drop ISOs or physical discs here to mount
floppy --drag and drop VFds and physical disks here to mount
Folders --shared folders (grayed out when not installed, drag and drop
the drive or folder on the host you want to share with VPC)
network -- (upside down T), has green and red blinking lights to show
network activity
The tray for VMWare is on the right, there are CD, HD, network, etc
icons there.
Yeah, for advanced things, like say using an existing VHD, you can
drag and drop the VHD from Windows Explorer into the "Virtual Disk
location" text box in the new VM wizard.
--
Cheers,
Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
http://vpc.essjae.com/
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>>>that choice before.
>>
>> Sicne VPC was a Mac product long before a Windows product, you can
>> drag and drop ISOs, floppy images, etc on the icons in the VPC tray in
>> the lower left of the guest window(obviously you can't have the VM in
>> full screen mode to do this).
>
>There is NOTHING in the lower left corner when in non full screen mode. The
>only thing there is the Windows Start button. I have NEVER seen this VPC
>tray as you call it. How do I see it? Same with VMWare Workstation. There I
>can see a tray as it boots but it is non accessible after it boots no matter
>if in full screen or not. Generally, though both boot full screen so how
>would I know something is there? Using right alt/enter does not reveal this
>tray. Non full screen mode only displays the toolbar at the top. Same as
>with VMWare Workstation.
>
>> You can also drag and drop file locations, VHDs, etc in most of the
>> input boxes.
>
>I don't even understand that sentence. Drag and drop file locations? What
>does that mean? Why would I want to drag and drop a virtual hard drive (I
>assume that is what VHD means)?
Sent: 12/10/2008
From: "Mark Rae [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:"Melelina" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
news:(email address - cut out)...
No-one said there was...
The fact that YOU have never seen something doesn't mean that it doesn't
exist - I've never seen Ayers Rock, but I've seen pictures of it... Here's a
picture of Virtual PC showing the system tray in the bottom left corner of
its status bar: http://arcanecode.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/u710-001.jpg
<HOST KEY> + Enter
Don't run it full screen...
Have you reconfigured your host key to be something else...?
--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net
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>> Sicne VPC was a Mac product long before a Windows product, you can
>> drag and drop ISOs, floppy images, etc on the icons in the VPC tray in
>> the lower left of the guest window(obviously you can't have the VM in
>> full screen mode to do this).
>
> There is NOTHING in the lower left corner when in non full screen mode.
> I have NEVER seen this VPC tray as you call it.
> How do I see it?
> Generally, though both boot full screen so how would I know something is
> there?
> Using right alt/enter does not reveal this tray.
Sent: 12/10/2008
From: "Melelina" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:
"Mark Rae [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
news:(email address - cut out)...
Sorry if I sounded like I doubted its existence. I was just saying that I
have never seen it. I only see the VMWare Workstation one when it is booting
and it is not accessible then. Maybe it too is supposed to be seen and be
accessible? Maybe why I don't see it after booting, as well have never seen
the VPC tray, is for the same reason?
What is the point of using a virtual machine if it can't be full screen? :D
I don't like cramped up windows.
No.
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> "Melelina" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
> news:(email address - cut out)...
>
>>> Sicne VPC was a Mac product long before a Windows product, you can
>>> drag and drop ISOs, floppy images, etc on the icons in the VPC tray in
>>> the lower left of the guest window(obviously you can't have the VM in
>>> full screen mode to do this).
>>
>> There is NOTHING in the lower left corner when in non full screen mode.
>
> No-one said there was...
>
>> I have NEVER seen this VPC tray as you call it.
>
> The fact that YOU have never seen something doesn't mean that it doesn't
> exist - I've never seen Ayers Rock, but I've seen pictures of it... Here's
> a picture of Virtual PC showing the system tray in the bottom left corner
> of its status bar:
> http://arcanecode.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/u710-001.jpg
>
>> How do I see it?
>
> <HOST KEY> + Enter
>
>> Generally, though both boot full screen so how would I know something is
>> there?
>
> Don't run it full screen...
>
>> Using right alt/enter does not reveal this tray.
>
> Have you reconfigured your host key to be something else...?
>
>
> --
> Mark Rae
> ASP.NET MVP
> http://www.markrae.net
Sent: 12/10/2008
From: "Melelina" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:
"Steve Jain [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
news:(email address - cut out)...
Yes, I know it is on the lower right side in VMWare, but I see it only when
the computer boots.
I get it now, thanks.
I'm thinking that I don't see this tray in VPC at all, and only briefly
during boot in VMWare, because I use the machines full screen. When I
minimize the screen (Right Alt/Enter in VPC and Control/Alt/Enter in VMWare)
the screen minimizes only slightly- just enough so that I can access the
host's task bar and systray and minimize the guest machine to the host's
taskbar. That is probably not enough minimization to allow me to see the
trays for VPC and VMWare.
I guess most don't do it this way as I asked a question in this news group
recently regarding a problem with the taskbar in VPC when going from slight
minimization to full screen and I didn't get a single answer. I use
Action/Full Screen to get from slight minimization to full screen but much
of the time the takbar remains as the one for the host. In full screen the
guest taskbar should fullly cover the host taskbar. I have to click back and
forth to finally get the VPC taskbar to act correctly. I have never had this
problem with VMWare.
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> On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:06:31 -1000, "Melelina" <(email address - cut out)>
> wrote:
>
>
>>>>that choice before.
>>>
>>> Sicne VPC was a Mac product long before a Windows product, you can
>>> drag and drop ISOs, floppy images, etc on the icons in the VPC tray in
>>> the lower left of the guest window(obviously you can't have the VM in
>>> full screen mode to do this).
>>
>>There is NOTHING in the lower left corner when in non full screen mode.
>>The
>>only thing there is the Windows Start button. I have NEVER seen this VPC
>>tray as you call it. How do I see it? Same with VMWare Workstation. There
>>I
>>can see a tray as it boots but it is non accessible after it boots no
>>matter
>>if in full screen or not. Generally, though both boot full screen so how
>>would I know something is there? Using right alt/enter does not reveal
>>this
>>tray. Non full screen mode only displays the toolbar at the top. Same as
>>with VMWare Workstation.
>
> You may have never seen it, but it's there. It's been in every
> version of VPC-Win since the first one back in 2001 (and in the Mac
> versions previously). There are screen shots of it in my TechRef PDF
> and here:
> http://acs.pha.jhu.edu/~shy/vpc-windows/vpc-fc4-installation.png
> look in the lower left corner, you will see 5 icons
> harddrive:
>
> CD -- drag and drop ISOs or physical discs here to mount
> floppy --drag and drop VFds and physical disks here to mount
> Folders --shared folders (grayed out when not installed, drag and drop
> the drive or folder on the host you want to share with VPC)
> network -- (upside down T), has green and red blinking lights to show
> network activity
>
> The tray for VMWare is on the right, there are CD, HD, network, etc
> icons there.
>
>>
>>> You can also drag and drop file locations, VHDs, etc in most of the
>>> input boxes.
>>
>>I don't even understand that sentence. Drag and drop file locations? What
>>does that mean? Why would I want to drag and drop a virtual hard drive (I
>>assume that is what VHD means)?
>
> Yeah, for advanced things, like say using an existing VHD, you can
> drag and drop the VHD from Windows Explorer into the "Virtual Disk
> location" text box in the new VM wizard.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
> http://vpc.essjae.com/
Sent: 12/11/2008
From: "Bob Campbell" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:"Mark Rae [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
news:(email address - cut out)...
This status bar is optional. It can be turned on and off in the VM display
settings.
Of course, you won't see it at all if you run the VM full screen.
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> "Melelina" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
> news:(email address - cut out)...
>
>> Sorry if I sounded like I doubted its existence. I was just saying that I
>> have never seen it.
>
> Hmm, not quite... What you actually said was: "There is NOTHING in the
> lower left corner when in non full screen mode."
Sent: 12/11/2008
From: "Mark Rae [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:"Melelina" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
news:(email address - cut out)...
Hmm, not quite... What you actually said was: "There is NOTHING in the lower
left corner when in non full screen mode."
--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net
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> Sorry if I sounded like I doubted its existence. I was just saying that I
> have never seen it.
Sent: 12/11/2008
From: "Melelina" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:
"Mark Rae [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
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Well not to me. To me, VPC gives me the opportunity to run a different
OS...a different world in a sense. It spoils it to run Vista non-full screen
or to run my VMWare machines non-full screen. I wouldn't use virtual
machines if I had lots of money plus physicial space to have a bunch of
actual computers.
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> "Bill Grant" <not.available@online> wrote in message
> news:(email address - cut out)...
>
>> 1. The fact that someone doesn't use a particular feature doesn't mean
>> it is worthless.
>
> Nor even that it doesn't actually exist!
>
>> 3. I never run vms in full screen.
>
> Neither do I, which is *not* to say that anyone who does is an idiot...
>
>> To my way of thinking, VPC is just another application which runs in a
>> window.
>
> That's precisely what it is... And, like almost every other Windows app,
> it can run maximised, normalised or minimised...
>
>
> --
> Mark Rae
> ASP.NET MVP
> http://www.markrae.net
Sent: 12/11/2008
From: "Melelina" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:
"Mark Rae [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
news:(email address - cut out)...
Yes, I said that. That does not contradict the above comment I made.
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> "Melelina" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
> news:(email address - cut out)...
>
>> Sorry if I sounded like I doubted its existence. I was just saying that I
>> have never seen it.
>
> Hmm, not quite... What you actually said was: "There is NOTHING in the
> lower left corner when in non full screen mode."
>
>
> --
> Mark Rae
> ASP.NET MVP
> http://www.markrae.net
Sent: 12/11/2008
From: "Mark Rae [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:"Bill Grant" <not.available@online> wrote in message
news:(email address - cut out)...
Nor even that it doesn't actually exist!
Neither do I, which is *not* to say that anyone who does is an idiot...
That's precisely what it is... And, like almost every other Windows app, it
can run maximised, normalised or minimised...
--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net
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> 1. The fact that someone doesn't use a particular feature doesn't mean it
> is worthless.
> 3. I never run vms in full screen.
> To my way of thinking, VPC is just another application which runs in a
> window.
Sent: 12/12/2008
From: "Bill Grant" <not.available@online>
Message:
"Bob Campbell" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
news:(email address - cut out)...
I would like to make some general comments on this discussion.
1. The fact that someone doesn't use a particular feature doesn't mean it
is worthless. There are dozens of features in the OS (XP or Vista) which I
never use, but others use frequently.
2. The drag and drop feature which allows you to attach an ISO or .vfd
(not .vhd) file to a vm is very handy from my point of view. It is also
intuitive - dragging a .vfd on to the floppy drive icon emulates putting a
floppy disk in the floppy drive. If you have ever tried attaching an ISO
file from the admin website in Virtual Server you will appreciate how much
easier it is with VPC drag and drop.
3. I never run vms in full screen. I usually have multiple vms running
and overlap the windows so I can easily bring one to the foreground with a
single click. To my way of thinking, VPC is just another application which
runs in a window.
4. You can hardy expect to find VPC features when you are running VMWare.
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> "Mark Rae [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
> news:(email address - cut out)...
>> "Melelina" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
>> news:(email address - cut out)...
>>
>>> Sorry if I sounded like I doubted its existence. I was just saying that
>>> I have never seen it.
>>