>Thanks Mark for the speedy reply. While I was waiting to see if anyone
>would reply, I restarted the install, but added an option (using the
>"F4" menu) to use what they called 'safe video'. This time, The screen
>did do the same thing, but after about 3 minutes it cleared out and
>wallpaper appeared. Soon a window appeared that led me through the
>install procedure steps (name, how big a HD, that sort of stuff), and I
>am - so far - installing just fine.
>
>I guess the next thing is to install the VM Additions so I can go from
>window to window easily.
>

>Thanks for the info Steve. I had heard about the 24-bit video, but it
>appears to be installing - and in color. The progress bar is up to 68%
>installed now. I do agree that the color scheme is pretty muddy-looking
>though.
>
>GP

> "Grand_Poobah" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
> news:(email address - cut out)...
>
>> Is this version of Linux able to be installed on a VM?
>
> I struggled with various versions of various Linux distros over the
> years, and gave up...
>
> Installing and running Linux on VPC *is* possible - if you have the
> patience to plough through it.
>
> I suppose it depends on why you are trying to do this in the first place.
>
> If you are primarily interested in getting Linux to run as a VPC guest
> in and of itself, then there are web pages which will walk you through
> the process - eventually, you'll probably manage it...
>
> However, if (like me) your interest in Linux is just to be able to test
> your (web) apps on Linux and you have better things to do with your
> time, then do yourself a *huge* favour and download VMWare Player and a
> pre-built Ubuntu appliance:
> http://www.vmware.com/download/player/
> http://search-www.vmware.com/socialsearch/query?q=%22Ubuntu+8.10%22&cn=vmware&cc=www&st=1&adv=0&bn_uf=VMware_Site_appliances_dir&bn_if=VMware_Site_appliances_dir
>
>
>

> Also, one of the things I did do was edit the VMC file and make the video
> card have 16Mb vice 8Mb. Don't know for sure if that made a difference,
> but the progress bar is up to 56% system installed.

> "Grand_Poobah" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
> news:(email address - cut out)...
>> Also, one of the things I did do was edit the VMC file and make the
>> video card have 16Mb vice 8Mb. Don't know for sure if that made a
>> difference, but the progress bar is up to 56% system installed.
>
> Yeah, there is some weirdness between VPC and Ubuntu. It tries to put
> the video into an unsupported (in VPC) mode. You have to do something
> in the early install dialogs (I forget what) to get past this.
>
> IAC, Ubuntu is so ugly I gave up on it. The default color scheme looks
> like a mixture of diarrhea and blood. I installed PCLinuxOS in VPC
> instead. It installs easily, and is much more polished looking. I
> have no idea if it is still available, what with the way Linux versions
> come and go. I don't keep up with Linux at all, as I really have no use
> for it. I only installed PCLinuxOS just have a Linux VM available. I
> haven't booted it in probably 6 months.

> Is this version of Linux able to be installed on a VM?

> I guess the next thing is to install the VM Additions so I can go from
> window to window easily.

> You might want to get a copy of this one Mark if it installs all the way.

>I agree Bob. The whole screen looks like somebody put down a latte and
>it overflowed on the screen. Good analogy with the bloodstain though.
>I think it actually is a fractal.
>
>This installation is just to see what all the hullaballoo is about with
>Linux. I doubt I will make any practical use of it. What the heck,
>VHD's are cheap (and disposable).
>

>My first foray into LINUX isn't going very well. Every attempt to get
>this one installed into a new VM fails. I get to the "Installing
>Restricted Drivers" and the screen turns brilliant green and then lapses
>into some sort of pixally divided screen with vertical green lines and
>text that is missing every other pixel. Below the green lines is
>something that resembles fractal paintings.The install continues, but I
>am unable to tell what is happening as the green lines cover any text.
>
>Towards the end of the 'things it is doing' I get:
>
>Loading, please wait
>[something]: Setting mode [640x430 ??] Failed
>screen ini: Failed
>Linux [something] 2.5.27-7-generic [something (dates, I think)]
>
>And, then, nothing. No more movement of the cursor after 30 minutes.
>
>Is this version of Linux able to be installed on a VM?
>
>GP

> On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:31:43 -0500, Grand_Poobah
> <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>
>> I agree Bob. The whole screen looks like somebody put down a latte and
>> it overflowed on the screen. Good analogy with the bloodstain though.
>> I think it actually is a fractal.
>>
>> This installation is just to see what all the hullaballoo is about with
>> Linux. I doubt I will make any practical use of it. What the heck,
>> VHD's are cheap (and disposable).
>>
>
> But as someone else pointed out, if you download and install VMWare
> Player then you can also download an already installed *and working*
> virtual machine for Ubuntu as what they call a "virtual appliance".
> VMWare actually has support for Linux Ubuntu including the equivalent
> of the Addotions (vmware tools in their parlance) which means you get
> mouse integration etc. No need to hassle with the install yourself...
>

> Try installing it under VirtualBox -- also free.
>
> But as to your skewed resolution under MS VPC, edit Xorg.conf
> as in "sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf" from your console prompt, and change
> the two occurrences of "24" to "16".
>
> From your skewed desktop, you should be able to drop to a text console
> with CNTL+ALT + (F1 or F2 or F3).
>
> FACE
>
> On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:30:48 -0500, in microsoft.public.virtualpc,
> Grand_Poobah <(email address - cut out)>, wrote
>
>> My first foray into LINUX isn't going very well. Every attempt to get
>> this one installed into a new VM fails. I get to the "Installing
>> Restricted Drivers" and the screen turns brilliant green and then lapses
>> into some sort of pixally divided screen with vertical green lines and
>> text that is missing every other pixel. Below the green lines is
>> something that resembles fractal paintings.The install continues, but I
>> am unable to tell what is happening as the green lines cover any text.
>>
>> Towards the end of the 'things it is doing' I get:
>>
>> Loading, please wait
>> [something]: Setting mode [640x430 ??] Failed
>> screen ini: Failed
>> Linux [something] 2.5.27-7-generic [something (dates, I think)]
>>
>> And, then, nothing. No more movement of the cursor after 30 minutes.
>>
>> Is this version of Linux able to be installed on a VM?
>>
>> GP
>

> Another great tip. Thanks FACE.
>
> GP
>
>
> --->
>> Try installing it under VirtualBox -- also free.
>>
>> But as to your skewed resolution under MS VPC, edit Xorg.conf
>> as in "sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf" from your console prompt, and change
>> the two occurrences of "24" to "16".
>>
>> From your skewed desktop, you should be able to drop to a text console
>> with CNTL+ALT + (F1 or F2 or F3).
>>
>> FACE
>>
>> On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:30:48 -0500, in microsoft.public.virtualpc,
>> Grand_Poobah <(email address - cut out)>, wrote
>>> My first foray into LINUX isn't going very well. Every attempt to
>>> get this one installed into a new VM fails. I get to the "Installing
>>> Restricted Drivers" and the screen turns brilliant green and then
>>> lapses into some sort of pixally divided screen with vertical green
>>> lines and text that is missing every other pixel. Below the green
>>> lines is something that resembles fractal paintings.The install
>>> continues, but I am unable to tell what is happening as the green
>>> lines cover any text.
>>>
>>> Towards the end of the 'things it is doing' I get:
>>>
>>> Loading, please wait
>>> [something]: Setting mode [640x430 ??] Failed
>>> screen ini: Failed
>>> Linux [something] 2.5.27-7-generic [something (dates, I think)]
>>>
>>> And, then, nothing. No more movement of the cursor after 30 minutes.
>>>
>>> Is this version of Linux able to be installed on a VM?
>>>
>>> GP
>>

>Another great tip. Thanks FACE.
>
>GP
>
>
>--->
>> Try installing it under VirtualBox -- also free.
>>
>> But as to your skewed resolution under MS VPC, edit Xorg.conf
>> as in "sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf" from your console prompt, and change
>> the two occurrences of "24" to "16".
>>
>> From your skewed desktop, you should be able to drop to a text console
>> with CNTL+ALT + (F1 or F2 or F3).
>>
>> FACE
>>
>> On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:30:48 -0500, in microsoft.public.virtualpc,
>> Grand_Poobah <(email address - cut out)>, wrote
>>
>>> My first foray into LINUX isn't going very well. Every attempt to get
>>> this one installed into a new VM fails. I get to the "Installing
>>> Restricted Drivers" and the screen turns brilliant green and then lapses
>>> into some sort of pixally divided screen with vertical green lines and
>>> text that is missing every other pixel. Below the green lines is
>>> something that resembles fractal paintings.The install continues, but I
>>> am unable to tell what is happening as the green lines cover any text.
>>>
>>> Towards the end of the 'things it is doing' I get:
>>>
>>> Loading, please wait
>>> [something]: Setting mode [640x430 ??] Failed
>>> screen ini: Failed
>>> Linux [something] 2.5.27-7-generic [something (dates, I think)]
>>>
>>> And, then, nothing. No more movement of the cursor after 30 minutes.
>>>
>>> Is this version of Linux able to be installed on a VM?
>>>
>>> GP
>>

>I've decided to take Bo's advice and move to VMWare. Playing around
>with this installation is more trouble than it is worth. Especially
>since once I got into text mode, the green bars were back and the text
>was unintelligible. The prompt was under the green bars so I don't know
>what is was prompting until it moved out from under the bars. Talk
>about blind leading the blind.
>
>GP
>
>--->
>> Another great tip. Thanks FACE.
>>
>> GP
>>
>>
>> --->
>>> Try installing it under VirtualBox -- also free.
>>>
>>> But as to your skewed resolution under MS VPC, edit Xorg.conf
>>> as in "sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf" from your console prompt, and change
>>> the two occurrences of "24" to "16".
>>>
>>> From your skewed desktop, you should be able to drop to a text console
>>> with CNTL+ALT + (F1 or F2 or F3).
>>>
>>> FACE
>>>
>>> On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:30:48 -0500, in microsoft.public.virtualpc,
>>> Grand_Poobah <(email address - cut out)>, wrote
>>>> My first foray into LINUX isn't going very well. Every attempt to
>>>> get this one installed into a new VM fails. I get to the "Installing
>>>> Restricted Drivers" and the screen turns brilliant green and then
>>>> lapses into some sort of pixally divided screen with vertical green
>>>> lines and text that is missing every other pixel. Below the green
>>>> lines is something that resembles fractal paintings.The install
>>>> continues, but I am unable to tell what is happening as the green
>>>> lines cover any text.
>>>>
>>>> Towards the end of the 'things it is doing' I get:
>>>>
>>>> Loading, please wait
>>>> [something]: Setting mode [640x430 ??] Failed
>>>> screen ini: Failed
>>>> Linux [something] 2.5.27-7-generic [something (dates, I think)]
>>>>
>>>> And, then, nothing. No more movement of the cursor after 30 minutes.
>>>>
>>>> Is this version of Linux able to be installed on a VM?
>>>>
>>>> GP
>>>

> On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:32:38 -0500, Grand_Poobah
> <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>
>> My thanks to all who contributed to this thread. I downloaded and
>> installed both VMWare Reader and the Ubuntu 8.10 pre-configured OS.
>> Both work flawlessly and did so right out of the "box". Since I had no
>> need to interact between host and guest I wasn't concerned that I
>> couldn't "see" my own computer's shared directories and such. I could
>> see the rest of the computers on the LAN as well as the Internet.
>>
>> This is a great place to get advice.
>>
>
> And you now have the benefit of using USB devices in the Linux guest
> too...
> If you install the vmware tools (if they are not already installed)
> you will get mouse integration as well. I installed Ubuntu 8.10 about
> a week after release into my VMWare Workstation 6.5 (no hassle doing
> it from the Ubuntu CD, really). Then I was prompted to install the
> tools as well so I did that, but afterwards the mouse integration did
> not work. :-(
> Asked my daughter about it (she works on the VMWare team developing
> the stuff) and she said that they had noted it but it was an Ubuntu
> thing.
> After a few days and after my Ubuntu had made the regular updates I
> suddenly had mouse integration working! And that was *without* doing
> anything to the vmware tools. Just getting Ubuntu to update itself
> about 2 weeks after release of 8.10 fixed the problem. :-)
>

> I've decided to take Bo's advice and move to VMWare.

>--->
>> On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:32:38 -0500, Grand_Poobah
>> <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>>
>>> My thanks to all who contributed to this thread. I downloaded and
>>> installed both VMWare Reader and the Ubuntu 8.10 pre-configured OS.
>>> Both work flawlessly and did so right out of the "box". Since I had no
>>> need to interact between host and guest I wasn't concerned that I
>>> couldn't "see" my own computer's shared directories and such. I could
>>> see the rest of the computers on the LAN as well as the Internet.
>>>
>>> This is a great place to get advice.
>>>
>>
>> And you now have the benefit of using USB devices in the Linux guest
>> too...
>> If you install the vmware tools (if they are not already installed)
>> you will get mouse integration as well. I installed Ubuntu 8.10 about
>> a week after release into my VMWare Workstation 6.5 (no hassle doing
>> it from the Ubuntu CD, really). Then I was prompted to install the
>> tools as well so I did that, but afterwards the mouse integration did
>> not work. :-(
>> Asked my daughter about it (she works on the VMWare team developing
>> the stuff) and she said that they had noted it but it was an Ubuntu
>> thing.
>> After a few days and after my Ubuntu had made the regular updates I
>> suddenly had mouse integration working! And that was *without* doing
>> anything to the vmware tools. Just getting Ubuntu to update itself
>> about 2 weeks after release of 8.10 fixed the problem. :-)
>>
>
>Very cool, indeed. I was a bit leery of the menu item for connecting my
>external USB drive (on the host) because of the parenthetical phrase
>that was added stating("disconnect from host)" or something like that.
>When I clicked it, my host immediately complained that I had unplugged a
>USB device without notifying it.
>
>I have spent most of the day testing my web pages and decided that I
>didn't really need the VMWare on my laptop but, instead, would install
>it on my desktop when I got home. The uninstall did NOT go well.
>Halfway through the uninstall it stalled and then things got really bad.
>The drivers for the VMWare network that gets installed hung, the
>uninstaller quit working and eventually explorer.exe stopped responding.
> I eventually managed to recover from that by trying an uninstall in
>safe mode - surprise - VMWare wasn't in the list but all the icons and
>directories in Program Files were still there. It was loads of fun
>untangling VMWare from my system and getting it back into order. You
>wouldn't believe the amount of Event Log errors that popped up.
>
>Things are apparently back to normal now that I ended up cleaning up the
>Program Files directory for VMWare manually.
>
>GP

>My thanks to all who contributed to this thread. I downloaded and
>installed both VMWare Reader and the Ubuntu 8.10 pre-configured OS.
>Both work flawlessly and did so right out of the "box". Since I had no
>need to interact between host and guest I wasn't concerned that I
>couldn't "see" my own computer's shared directories and such. I could
>see the rest of the computers on the LAN as well as the Internet.
>
>This is a great place to get advice.
>

>
>I have spent most of the day testing my web pages and decided that I
>didn't really need the VMWare on my laptop but, instead, would install
>it on my desktop when I got home. The uninstall did NOT go well.
>Halfway through the uninstall it stalled and then things got really bad.
>The drivers for the VMWare network that gets installed hung, the
>uninstaller quit working and eventually explorer.exe stopped responding.
> I eventually managed to recover from that by trying an uninstall in
>safe mode - surprise - VMWare wasn't in the list but all the icons and
>directories in Program Files were still there. It was loads of fun
>untangling VMWare from my system and getting it back into order. You
>wouldn't believe the amount of Event Log errors that popped up.
>
>Things are apparently back to normal now that I ended up cleaning up the
>Program Files directory for VMWare manually.
>

>I've run into that with the Workstation product. VMWare installs a
>lot of services and other hooks into the system...when it goes wrong
>it can really go wrong.

> On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:42:09 -0800, in microsoft.public.virtualpc,
> "Steve Jain [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)>, wrote
>
>> I've run into that with the Workstation product. VMWare installs a
>> lot of services and other hooks into the system...when it goes wrong
>> it can really go wrong.
>
> That is the main reason i went to virtualbox. VMWare appears to want to
> "own" the machine.
>
> FACE
>

> VMWare certainly DOES want to own the machine. It slips tentacles into
> every nook and cranny of the OS. It even affected my wireless connection
> to the point that it would hang on shutdown citing "another network did
> not shut down properly". Turned out that one was the VMDHCP service and
> the NAT service.

> My first foray into LINUX isn't going very well. Every attempt to get
> this one installed into a new VM fails. I get to the "Installing
> Restricted Drivers" and the screen turns brilliant green and then lapses
> into some sort of pixally divided screen with vertical green lines and
> text that is missing every other pixel. Below the green lines is
> something that resembles fractal paintings.The install continues, but I am
> unable to tell what is happening as the green lines cover any text.
>
> Towards the end of the 'things it is doing' I get:
>
> Loading, please wait
> [something]: Setting mode [640x430 ??] Failed
> screen ini: Failed
> Linux [something] 2.5.27-7-generic [something (dates, I think)]
>
> And, then, nothing. No more movement of the cursor after 30 minutes.
>
> Is this version of Linux able to be installed on a VM?
>
> GP