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Video card for VM

Source: microsoft.public.virtualpc
Sent: 02/01/2008
From: DarkSpin
Message:

It is kinda stupid that it does not just use the video card on the HOST
instead of a FAKE 2D card that is worthles for developers like me. so much
for testing my programs. "MUST HAVE 3D capablity."

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Re: Video card for VM

Sent: 02/01/2008
From: Robert Comer <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

>All hardware inside a virtual machine is virtualised, apart from the CPU and

Actually it's the other way around. The CPU and RAM is virtualized,
the rest is emulated.

--
Bob Comer

On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 11:28:36 -0000, "Mark Rae [MVP]"
<(email address - cut out)> wrote:

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>RAM which are emulated...
>"DarkSpin" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
>news:(email address - cut out)...
>
>> It is kinda stupid that it does not just use the video card on the HOST
>> instead of a FAKE 2D card that is worthles for developers like me. so much
>> for testing my programs. "MUST HAVE 3D capablity."
>
>All hardware inside a virtual machine is virtualised, apart from the CPU and
>RAM which are emulated...
>
>All current software virtualisation products do the same...

Re: Video card for VM

Sent: 02/01/2008
From: Robert Comer <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

Unfortunately the PC architecture doesn't allow 2 systems to share the
video card, and that's just what is happening when you run a virtual
machine. Any 3D support would either have to be software emulated
(read as painful slow), or there would have to be some kind of shunt
driver in the VM to route calls through to the video card. (Which is
not so easy to do and probably hardware specific.)

--
Bob Comer

On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 02:58:00 -0800, DarkSpin
<(email address - cut out)> wrote:

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>It is kinda stupid that it does not just use the video card on the HOST
>instead of a FAKE 2D card that is worthles for developers like me. so much
>for testing my programs. "MUST HAVE 3D capablity."

Re: Video card for VM

Sent: 02/01/2008
From: "Mark Rae [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

"DarkSpin" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
news:(email address - cut out)...

All hardware inside a virtual machine is virtualised, apart from the CPU and
RAM which are emulated...

All current software virtualisation products do the same...

--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net

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> It is kinda stupid that it does not just use the video card on the HOST
> instead of a FAKE 2D card that is worthles for developers like me. so much
> for testing my programs. "MUST HAVE 3D capablity."

Re: Video card for VM

Sent: 02/01/2008
From: "Mark Rae [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

"Robert Comer" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
news:(email address - cut out)...

D'oh! Of course you're right - apologies, group...

--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net

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> >All hardware inside a virtual machine is virtualised, apart from the CPU
> >and
>>RAM which are emulated...
>
> Actually it's the other way around. The CPU and RAM is virtualized,
> the rest is emulated.

Re: Video card for VM

Sent: 02/03/2008
From: "Steve Thackery" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

>> It is kinda stupid that it does not just use the video card on the HOST

That's the whole point of a virtual machine. If it could touch your real
hardware there'd be a mass of issues and complications. Of course, the
virtualisation software COULD emulate a more sophisticated video card, and
that may be something for the future as the CPU power continues to grow...

SteveT

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>> instead of a FAKE 2D card that is worthles for developers like me. so
>> much
>> for testing my programs. "MUST HAVE 3D capablity."

RE: Video card for VM

Sent: 02/25/2008
From: Bell407pilot
Message:

"DarkSpin" wrote:

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> It is kinda stupid that it does not just use the video card on the HOST
> instead of a FAKE 2D card that is worthles for developers like me. so much
> for testing my programs. "MUST HAVE 3D capablity."

RE: Video card for VM

Sent: 02/25/2008
From: Bell407pilot
Message:

I have to agree !! I have to use VM just view and edit photographs since
Vista 64 has no RAW image format support. So it was VM to edit and view
images. Then I find out that Vista 64 will not run the ATI Video Recording
software and neither will VM because it does not even see the real video
card. Then to add insult to injury there is no USB support in VM so you
cannot use any device plugged in unless you make it a network device. Vista
64 has been a major disappointment !!! And now I cannot run my business
without going back to my old XP boxes. Some upgrade !!!!

"DarkSpin" wrote:

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> It is kinda stupid that it does not just use the video card on the HOST
> instead of a FAKE 2D card that is worthles for developers like me. so much
> for testing my programs. "MUST HAVE 3D capablity."

Re: Video card for VM

Sent: 02/25/2008
From: "Colin Barnhorst" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

What can MS do about ATI's software? Isn't that ATI's job?

"Bell407pilot" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
news:(email address - cut out)...

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>I have to agree !! I have to use VM just view and edit photographs since
> Vista 64 has no RAW image format support. So it was VM to edit and view
> images. Then I find out that Vista 64 will not run the ATI Video Recording
> software and neither will VM because it does not even see the real video
> card. Then to add insult to injury there is no USB support in VM so you
> cannot use any device plugged in unless you make it a network device.
> Vista
> 64 has been a major disappointment !!! And now I cannot run my business
> without going back to my old XP boxes. Some upgrade !!!!
>
> "DarkSpin" wrote:
>
>> It is kinda stupid that it does not just use the video card on the HOST
>> instead of a FAKE 2D card that is worthles for developers like me. so
>> much
>> for testing my programs. "MUST HAVE 3D capablity."

RE: Video card for VM

Sent: 12/16/2008
From: "Usarian"<(email address - cut out)>
Message:

Both Microsoft and VMWare are working on 3D hardware virtualization:

http://www.vmware.com/files/pdf/vee.pdf

http://www.vmware.com/support/ws55/doc/ws_vidsound_d3d.html

http://www.virtualdub.org/blog/pivot/entry.php?id=208

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> It is kinda stupid that it does not just use the video card on the HOST
> instead of a FAKE 2D card that is worthles for developers like me. so much
> for testing my programs. "MUST HAVE 3D capablity."

RE: Video card for VM

Sent: 12/17/2008
From: Poutnik <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

In article <(email address - cut out)>,
(email address - cut out) says...>

See also http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Changelog

VirtualBox 2.1.0 by SUN has
experimental 3D OpenGL HW acceleration support.

--
Poutnik

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> > It is kinda stupid that it does not just use the video card on the HOST
> > instead of a FAKE 2D card that is worthles for developers like me. so much
> > for testing my programs. "MUST HAVE 3D capablity."
>
> Both Microsoft and VMWare are working on 3D hardware virtualization:
>
> http://www.vmware.com/files/pdf/vee.pdf
>
> http://www.vmware.com/support/ws55/doc/ws_vidsound_d3d.html
>
> http://www.virtualdub.org/blog/pivot/entry.php?id=208
>
>
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