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From: "Dave B." <(email address - cut out)>
Message:If you need USB support use VMware
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> Why still no USB support?
Sent: 10/16/2006
From: "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com>
Message:USB support is unlikely to appear until virtualization technology is
incorporated into Longhorn Server around the time of SP1. This is no help
for the standalone app users (VPC and VS) but that's how it is.
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> Why still no USB support?
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From: "Mark Rae" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:"Bob" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
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Because Bill Gates hates you...
What a strange question - there's still no USB support because the Virtual
PC team either hasn't got the resources to write it, or they don't consider
it much of a priority...
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> Why still no USB support?
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Message:More effort than MS is willing to give obviously. ;)
Mark Rae wrote:
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> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote in message
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>
> > USB support is unlikely to appear until virtualization technology is
> > incorporated into Longhorn Server around the time of SP1. This is no help
> > for the standalone app users (VPC and VS) but that's how it is.
>
> Quite so. Since USB support works so well in VPC for Mac, you have to wonder
> just how much effort would *really* be required to incorporate it into VPC
> for Windows...
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From: "Eric Denekamp" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:I prefer the first reason, it implies that the richest man on earth at least
knows OF me...
:-)
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> "Bob" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
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>> Why still no USB support?
>
> Because Bill Gates hates you...
>
> What a strange question - there's still no USB support because the Virtual
> PC team either hasn't got the resources to write it, or they don't
> consider it much of a priority...
>
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From: "Mark Rae" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote in message
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Quite so. Since USB support works so well in VPC for Mac, you have to wonder
just how much effort would *really* be required to incorporate it into VPC
for Windows...
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> USB support is unlikely to appear until virtualization technology is
> incorporated into Longhorn Server around the time of SP1. This is no help
> for the standalone app users (VPC and VS) but that's how it is.
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From: "Ronny Ong" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:"Dave B." <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
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Or Parallels Workstation
You know Parallels, right:? The huge software maker with resources unmatched
by any other corporation on the planet? Otherwise, how could they possibly
be supporting USB already?
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> If you need USB support use VMware
Sent: 10/16/2006
From: "Roberto Baggio" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:I'm disappointed that there isn't any support, primarily because of Vista.
With Vista, you can use a USB thumb drive to speed up your machine. With
Vista, you can use a USB thumb drive to store the key for BitLocker.
Without USB support, these features cannot be used.
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> Why still no USB support?
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From: "Robert Moir" <robspamtrap+(email address - cut out)>
Message:Mark Rae wrote:
Proably more than you think when you consider they must be very different
codebases, at least certainly in the parts that would talk to hardware such
as a USB bus.
I'm still disappointed though, I've got to admit. This has has got to be one
of the all time top FAQs for this group.
--
Robert Moir
www.robertmoir.com
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> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote in message
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>
>> USB support is unlikely to appear until virtualization technology is
>> incorporated into Longhorn Server around the time of SP1. This is
>> no help for the standalone app users (VPC and VS) but that's how it
>> is.
>
> Quite so. Since USB support works so well in VPC for Mac, you have to
> wonder just how much effort would *really* be required to incorporate
> it into VPC for Windows...
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From: "Mark Rae" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:"Robert Moir" <robspamtrap+(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
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LOL! Yes - I was being ever so slightly facetious... ;-) However, USB is USB
is USB - it's the same hardware after all...
Yep... Especially since VMWare has done it so well for ages too...
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>> Quite so. Since USB support works so well in VPC for Mac, you have to
>> wonder just how much effort would *really* be required to incorporate
>> it into VPC for Windows...
>
> Proably more than you think when you consider they must be very different
> codebases, at least certainly in the parts that would talk to hardware
> such as a USB bus.
> I'm still disappointed though, I've got to admit. This has has got to be
> one of the all time top FAQs for this group.
Sent: 10/17/2006
From: "Ronny Ong" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:"Roberto Baggio" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
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That feature (ReadyBoost) requires USB 2.0 and it's not practical to
virtualize USB 2.0. Neither VMware nor Parallels is able to support USB 2.0
in a guest. USB 2.0 devices on the host are exposed as USB 1.1 to the guest.
So even if Microsoft added USB support, it is unlikely to be able to support
ReadyBoost inside the guest.
ReadyBoost requires a minimum USB bandwidth of 2.5 Megabytes per second. The
USB 1.1 specification only goes to 12 MegaBITS per second which equals 1.5
Megabytes per second.
You can still take advantage of ReadyBoost on a physical Vista host. Since
it will speed up overall performance for the entire host, improvements
should be seen in guests running on that host. Note that ReadyBoost does not
increase the amount of physical host RAM which VPC needs to reserve for
guests, so this is not equivalent to adding physical RAM in terms of letting
you run more guests or larger guests.
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> With Vista, you can use a USB thumb drive to speed up your machine. With
Sent: 10/17/2006
From: Steve Jain <(email address - cut out)>
Message:On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:24:35 +0100, "Robert Moir"
<robspamtrap+(email address - cut out)> wrote:
Or use both. I've got VPC and VMWare WKS both installed on my system.
They both have strengths and weaknesses.
I've also got a PC with Virtual Server and VMW Wks on it. Different
tasks, different tools.
--
Cheers,
Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
http://vpc.essjae.com/
I do not work for Microsoft.
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>Mark Rae wrote:
>>
>> LOL! Yes - I was being ever so slightly facetious... ;-)
>
>I did wonder;-)
>
>> However, USB
>> is USB is USB - it's the same hardware after all...
>>
>>> I'm still disappointed though, I've got to admit. This has has got
>>> to be one of the all time top FAQs for this group.
>>
>> Yep... Especially since VMWare has done it so well for ages too...
>
>Well if its that important to people, they'll vote with their feet.
>
Sent: 10/17/2006
From: Paul Adare <(email address - cut out)>
Message:In article <(email address - cut out)>, in the
microsoft.public.virtualpc news group, Robert Moir
<robspamtrap+(email address - cut out)> says...
It isn't. The biggest problem is that according the EULA you're not
allowed to use BDE in a VM. :-)
--
Paul Adare - MVP Virtual Machines
Waiting for a bus is about as thrilling as fishing,
with the similar tantalisation that something,
sometime, somehow, will turn up. George Courtauld
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> Indeed. I do wonder if I'd characterise this as the biggest problem with
> using bitlocker on a virtual machine, though.
>
Sent: 10/17/2006
From: "Robert Moir" <robspamtrap+(email address - cut out)>
Message:Mark Rae wrote:
I did wonder;-)
Well if its that important to people, they'll vote with their feet.
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>
> LOL! Yes - I was being ever so slightly facetious... ;-)
> However, USB
> is USB is USB - it's the same hardware after all...
>
>> I'm still disappointed though, I've got to admit. This has has got
>> to be one of the all time top FAQs for this group.
>
> Yep... Especially since VMWare has done it so well for ages too...
Sent: 10/17/2006
From: "Robert Moir" <robspamtrap+(email address - cut out)>
Message:Roberto Baggio wrote:
No you can't. Popping a USB thumb drive into a vista machine is not 'a magic
hack to speed up your machine'. It performs a very specific function which
does improve performance, and the question you have to ask is how would that
help a virtual machine, and would your time be better spent improving
overall HOST peformance?
Indeed. I do wonder if I'd characterise this as the biggest problem with
using bitlocker on a virtual machine, though.
--
Robert Moir
www.robertmoir.com
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> I'm disappointed that there isn't any support, primarily because of
> Vista. With Vista, you can use a USB thumb drive to speed up your
> machine.
> With Vista, you can use a USB thumb drive to store the key
> for BitLocker.
Sent: 10/17/2006
From: "Robert Moir" <robspamtrap+(email address - cut out)>
Message:Steve Jain wrote:
Good points, of course, Steve.
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> Or use both. I've got VPC and VMWare WKS both installed on my system.
> They both have strengths and weaknesses.
>
> I've also got a PC with Virtual Server and VMW Wks on it. Different
> tasks, different tools.
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From: "Robert Moir" <robspamtrap+(email address - cut out)>
Message:Paul Adare wrote:
Yep that has to be somewhere towards the top of the list.
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> In article <(email address - cut out)>, in the
> microsoft.public.virtualpc news group, Robert Moir
> <robspamtrap+(email address - cut out)> says...
>
>> Indeed. I do wonder if I'd characterise this as the biggest problem
>> with using bitlocker on a virtual machine, though.
>>
>
> It isn't. The biggest problem is that according the EULA you're not
> allowed to use BDE in a VM. :-)
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